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Ok, I read this today and then tried to reflex on why I do not post things like this, if I like them. (I have some ideas why, but it's boring). In any case, this is admirable, I think.
Soldiers Decline Option to Abandon Posts in Wake of Hurricane
ARLINGTON, Va. (Sept. 19) - As the winds from Hurricane Isabel swept over Arlington National Cemetery, the soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknowns were given - for the first time in history - permission to abandon their posts and seek shelter.
"They told us that. But that's not what's going to happen," said Sgt. Christopher Holmes, standing vigil on overnight duty. "That's never an option for us. It went in one ear and right out the other."
[ September 20, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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I'm working my tail off today, so I'm not posting in MD, but I had to post here, since I've given you the hardest time lately about this, Map.
I'm actually pretty emotional right now. It's a bit hard to distinguish between the emotion from reading the story, which was so to the heart of what I love about America, and appreciation for you posting it, Map.
Thanks.
Joe
(of course, now I can't get on your case for never posting anything pro-American, but it's worth it )
(and now back to work getting Jetspeed running)
 
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An American soldier shot and killed a rare Royal Bengal tiger in Baghdad Zoo
After drunken party, US soldier kills tiger
 
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An American soldier shot and killed a rare Royal Bengal tiger in Baghdad Zoo


And your point is...?
What is at fault here?
Alcohol
Parties
Guns
Zoos
Tigers (for getting caught)
U.S. Soldiers

Or are you saying it was not the Alcohol or the gun or... but the person; soldier or not? Hmmmmm Interesting concept.
[ September 21, 2003: Message edited by: Donald R. Cossitt ]
 
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Point is, it makes no sense to me that when some one does something which "appeases" you, you praise them and immediately when some one does something bad which does NOT "appease" you, you go bash the same folks. Read Map's comments from her previous posts which does not make sense to me. I still think she is confused about her identity. russian or wanna be american.
 
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Only on the internet would a person lacking the stones to use their own name take time to question anyone else's identity. It'd be amusing if it weren't so cliche.
 
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"I Killed Kenny", why don't you try smoking pot when you are drunk?
And while we are at it, why did you quit insulting Joe and decided to insult me instead, is there any reason, or is it just another sort of vodka?
[ September 21, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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Joe: of course, now I can't get on your case for never posting anything pro-American, but it's worth it
One of the reasons, I do not want any drunk idiot commenting on what he will never be able to understand.
 
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I never tried to either sound smart or intellectual as many of you folks here 'TRY' real real hard to be one which I pity you. yea I drink occasionally but hey I never smoked pot how does it feel? I stopped picking on Joe as he is an 'Ordinary Joe', a guy who can sit in a group of people can participate in conversations. (He may also sound like an intellectual among a group of drunk retard bastards like me ). but you can be annoying lil' ..... among a group of people . I bet you are either a leo or a virgo if not my bad.
 
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Enough is enough. An official warning: all your less-than-nice posts will be deleted from now on, so do not bother. Too much time was lost trying to persuade shit not to stink, instead of taking shit to where it belongs.
 
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I dont know how you tolerate that kind of crap, Map. I'd boot a twerp like that out of here by now!
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This link is sooo blatantly biased (ie., Anti-american)... Out of everything that is happening in IRAQ, "Killed Kenny", decides to post a story about the pain and suffer of a tiger; I would of talked about something more pertinent -- I.e.., how the "dead enders" are killing their own Iraqis for instance... Or how the US is trying to stablize the country but can't... not how (we don't even know that its even true; but could be) some idiot soldier killed some tiger...
Like all reporting of this sort, this makes the US looks bad... and the reader happy (I'm going to assume http://us.rediff.com is marketed towards Indians)... We all know what the general consensus of Idians.... "Damn those Stupid, Arrogant Americans... look at what they are f*cking up in Iraq now... thank GOD WE are not as stupid as THEM... we Indians may not have the most money, buildings, etc... However, we are smart enough to know that going into IRAQ is a stupid idea... Outside we may not be superior to them, but inside we are superior and thats where it counts.."
Okay enough Ranting :-) However, I doubt the majority of Americans soldiers are getting drunk and parting while they are in IRAQ. My impressions are they just want to do their job and leave...

Originally posted by <I Killed Kenny>:
An American soldier shot and killed a rare Royal Bengal tiger in Baghdad Zoo
After drunken party, US soldier kills tiger


[ September 22, 2003: Message edited by: Eleison Zeitgeist ]
 
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Originally posted by Eleison Zeitgeist:

Like all reporting of this sort, this makes the US looks bad... and the reader happy (I'm going to assume http://us.rediff.com is marketed towards Indians)... We all know what the general consensus of Idians.... "Damn those Stupid, Arrogant Americans... look at what they are f*cking up in Iraq now... thank GOD WE are not as stupid as THEM... we Indians may not have the most money, buildings, etc... However, we are smart enough to know that going into IRAQ is a stupid idea... Outside we may not be superior to them, but inside we are superior and thats where it counts.."


Your reply is as stupid as that of 'I Killed Kenny'


Okay enough Ranting :-) However, I doubt the majority of Americans soldiers are getting drunk and parting while they are in IRAQ. My impressions are they just want to do their job and leave...


So whats the job of soldiers
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Originally posted by Donald R. Cossitt:

And your point is...?
What is at fault here?
Alcohol
Parties
Guns
Zoos
Tigers (for getting caught)
U.S. Soldiers

Or are you saying it was not the Alcohol or the gun or... but the person; soldier or not? Hmmmmm Interesting concept.
[ September 21, 2003: Message edited by: Donald R. Cossitt ]


Agreed that this guy did put his comments in a rather bad manner. But so did Mr. Donal, he is definetly polite but at the same time very much sarcastic. Lets take his points,
What is at fault here?
[list]Alcohol - Life less so can't be considered
Parties - Anybody can have a party, but going out of control in a party is what is concerned.
Guns - Same as Alcohol
Zoos - Same again
Tigers (for getting caught) -
U.S. Soldiers - Yes, man is the only animal with some brains. If he looses his senses taking some alcohol then definetly it is his fault.

Or are you saying it was not the Alcohol or the gun or... but the person; soldier or not? Hmmmmm Interesting concept.


Donald, if you say that the fault is of any one of the thing in your list other than person, then that is an Interesting concept not the other way.
Please forgive if there are any spelling/grammer mistakes which most of the people look at instead of the concept.
 
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EZ: how (we don't even know that its even true; but could be) some idiot soldier killed some tiger...
I disagree. If you read the article, you see that a soldier shot the tiger after the latter attacked and injured his comrade. At this point there was no other choice left. Admittedly, it wasn't too smart to go into a cage, but the soldier only wanted to feed the tiger -- there wasn't anything unfriendly or aggressive in this gesture. What was the need to attack him? I think, the tiger has nobody to blame but himself. Perhaps he was even a Saddam supporter, who knows?
Well, seriously, an initial poster only brought up this story to ironically express his puzzlement with apparent absence of logic in my posts. It's like if I said yesterday that 2 + 2 = 4, and today that 3 + 3 =6. Confusing, I agree. :roll: What is my point? Is 2 + 2 = 4, or is 3 + 3 =6? Much better if I made up my mind and stuck with one of the above pieces of wisdom...
Anyway, if you want to continue to discuss murdering of the Bengal tiger, it's probably a good idea to start a new thread.
 
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I fail to understand how an individual's mistake/stupidity becomes 'America's fault'. After all, there are millions of thick people in this world, and they all belong to one country or the other!
 
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Originally posted by Donald R. Cossitt:

And your point is...?
What is at fault here?
Alcohol
Parties
Guns
Zoos
Tigers (for getting caught)
U.S. Soldiers

Or are you saying it was not the Alcohol or the gun or... but the person; soldier or not? Hmmmmm Interesting concept.


Had the US not engaged in that 'illegal war' that tiger would still be alive. Saddam's folks tended to kill their fellow Iraqis when out on a toot.
Blame it on Bush.
 
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I wonder if this has got to do with the LTTE Tigers of Sri Lanka! There could be a conspiracy on winning some sympathy by making a big issue out of "Gorge Bush ordering to execute a poor, caged and sick Bengal Tiger by a heavily armed, trained American soldier"!!!
Well, to contribute to the actual cause of this thread, I personally admire the American way of life, their quality of life, achievements in many areas, and many other things that are 'American'. Just look around, and everything (well most of them, if not all) that influences my life to a great extend, are either invented or resulted by the actions of a group of people, or setup, from America in recent past!
I might disagree on certain aspects of their system, but thats my problem, not theirs, and I guess The USA is definitely a role model to follow for the developing countries across the world.
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Krishnan:
I fail to understand how an individual's mistake/stupidity becomes 'America's fault'. After all, there are millions of thick people in this world, and they all belong to one country or the other!


It's a mystery, I confess, but many people in Europe seem to believe that all human folly descends from Bush and will argue for endless hours that this is so.
One of the more dubious 'advantages' of the German/French style welfare state is that it provides plenty of leisure for the idle to lecture the rest of us.....
[ September 23, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
EZ: how (we don't even know that its even true; but could be) some idiot soldier killed some tiger...
I disagree. If you read the article, you see that a soldier shot the tiger after the latter attacked and injured his comrade. At this point there was no other choice left. Admittedly, it wasn't too smart to go into a cage, but the soldier only wanted to feed the tiger -- there wasn't anything unfriendly or aggressive in this gesture. What was the need to attack him? I think, the tiger has nobody to blame but himself. Perhaps he was even a Saddam supporter, who knows?


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Originally posted by <I Killed Kenny>:

Speechless


I guess not everyone recognizes sarcasm, even when it slaps them in the head. Map, in order to make your sarcasm even more blatantly obvious, I must insist you wrap your comments in <sarcasm> tags where appropriate.
 
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I thought the followed "well, seriously... " would provide enough clues, guess not... Ok. My apologies to the tiger for unjustified calling him "a Saddam's supporter".
Joe, do you still want to see more pro-American posts? :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

Joe, do you still want to see more pro-American posts? :roll:


Never kiss any one's .... stick to your guns. u will be alright. Also never stand on the wall jump on one side. It is always tough to face arrows from both sides of the wall.
 
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Thank you for your advice. Unfortunately, I cannot use it -- I do not wage a war here. Pursuit of knowledge has little to do with taking sides, and more with an ability to "be" on all sides at once.
"The good thing about writing is that you don't have to have a final point of view, that you can try out different ways of seeing, or different selves."
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Thank you for your advice. Unfortunately, I cannot use it -- I do not wage a war here. Pursuit of knowledge has little to do with taking sides, and more with an ability to "be" on all sides at once.
"The good thing about writing is that you don't have to have a final point of view, that you can try out different ways of seeing, or different selves."
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I know you are smart definitely smarter than that. what you are suggesting is a much better version. First jump on one side throw arrows and kill some folks and jump back on the other side do the same thing untill the numbers reduce greatly and jump back on the wall 'kill em all' (alright now dont take it seriously)
 
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Admittedly, it wasn't too smart to go into a cage, but the soldier only wanted to feed the tiger -- there wasn't anything unfriendly or aggressive in this gesture. What was the need to attack him? I think, the tiger has nobody to blame but himself. Perhaps he was even a Saddam supporter, who knows?
Indeed, the tiger's morality is questionable, to say the least. He was about to be fed and liberated from the captivity and the oppression of the zookeeper's tyrany, but he chose to bite the liberating hand. In fact, it is reasonable to assume that the tiger was hiding the weapons of Moose destruction in his cage (the Moose was reportedly in the next cage), so the Animal Rights Council had no choice but to approve the military intervention, after the tiger pissed off (literally) the veterinarians.
 
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Speaking about Bengal tigers, there are currently some discussions regarding "combat pay", from which I learnt that "imminent-danger pay" is now as high as $225 a month. Is this only me who thinks this isn't quite adequate?
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Speaking about Bengal tigers, there are currently some discussions regarding "combat pay", from which I learnt that "imminent-danger pay" is now as high as $225 a month. Is this only me who thinks this isn't quite adequate?


That's the same amount I remember from when I got it in 1997, but that was up just a little bit from 1991 if I remember correctly. I would have thought it would have gone up a bit since '97, but I guess not. Military personnel in theater also get what's called a "combat zone tax exclusion", which basically means they don't have to pay federal income tax while they are there. Additionally, some may be making a small per diem while they are there.
Of course unless the rules have changed, many will likely lose their BAS (Basic Allowance for Sustenance, money married personnel and personnel who live off base get for food), which is a decent chunk of change and something many come to count on for their families. Then there is the huge cut in the family paycheck that reservists and guardsmen must deal with, as their military pay is in many cases considerably less than their civillian pay. Some employers will make up the difference between their normal pay and their lower military pay, but I think that is more the exception than the rule, and even then only for a limited period. However, all know this is a possibility when they join up, and although it's hard, nobody forced anyone to sign their name on the dotted line.
 
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Speaking about Bengal tigers, there are currently some discussions regarding "combat pay", from which I learnt that "imminent-danger pay" is now as high as $225 a month.
Sounds like a good deal. When I was drafted by the Soviet Army, I was sent to Siberia to guard the prisons. The deal was that if you kill a prisoner who was trying to escape, you get a 2 weeks vacation. If you don't get to kill a prisoner, the standard pay was something like 5 rubbles a month (including the "imminent-danger" pay). It was so damn cold, however (sometimes as low as minus 60 Farenheit), that I would not be able to pull the trigger of my AK-47, -- the finger would simply not bend. Needless to say, I spent the entire 2 years of the draft in the barracks.
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Speaking about Bengal tigers, there are currently some discussions regarding "combat pay", from which I learnt that "imminent-danger pay" is now as high as $225 a month.
Sounds like a good deal. When I was drafted by the Soviet Army, I was sent to Siberia to guard the prisons. The deal was that if you kill a prisoner who was trying to escape, you get a 2 weeks vacation. If you don't get to kill a prisoner, the standard pay was something like 5 rubbles a month (including the "imminent-danger" pay). It was so damn cold, however (sometimes as low as minus 60 Farenheit), that I would not be able to pull the trigger of my AK-47, -- the finger would simply not bend. Needless to say, I spent the entire 2 years of the draft in the barracks.


Got definitely hated you
 
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IKK: Got definitely hated you
Who is "Got", IKK? The "t" and "d" keys are pretty much apart on my keyboard, so I assume it was not a simple typo on your part. Perhaps you have some inner message to communicate?
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
IKK: Got definitely hated you
Who is "Got", IKK? The "t" and "d" keys are pretty much apart on my keyboard, so I assume it was not a simple typo on your part. Perhaps you have some inner message to communicate?
[ September 23, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]


errrrrrrrrrr Typo, I mean God
 
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IKK: errrrrrrrrrr Typo, I mean God
Right, good. I don't know, man, -- I prayed on my knees 3 times a day asking God to send me to Afganistan, -- like most young Russians at that time, I sincerely believed that it was my patriotic duty to exterminate the Taliban sympathisers who were supported by Americans in their jihad and resistance against the Soviet occupation. Instead, God sent me to Siberia. Did he love me or hated me? God works in mysterious ways...
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
IKK: errrrrrrrrrr Typo, I mean God
Right, good. I don't know, man, -- I prayed on my knees 3 times a day asking God to send me to Afganistan, -- like most young Russians at that time, I sincerely believed that it was my patriotic duty to exterminate the Taliban sympathisers who were supported by Americans in their jihad and resistance against the Soviet occupation. Instead, God sent me to Siberia. Did he love me or hated me? God works in mysterious ways...


Tough choice and thank god that you didn't have to fight Rambo (Sylvester Stallone) that dude killed a lot of russians in afghanistan
 
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IKK: Tough choice and thank god that you didn't have to fight Rambo (Sylvester Stallone) that dude killed a lot of russians in afghanistan
Oh, I would kick Sylvester's ass. With God's help, I would fill Rambo's drinking water with blood, invade his tent with frogs, populate his M-16 with locusts, and send thunder and hail on Rambo's head. Do you think Rambo would have the guts to fight against the Alpha and the Omega?
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
IKK: Tough choice and thank god that you didn't have to fight Rambo (Sylvester Stallone) that dude killed a lot of russians in afghanistan
Oh, I would kick Sylvester's ass. With God's help, I would fill Rambo's drinking water with blood, invade his tent with frogs, populate his M-16 with locusts, and send thunder and hail on Rambo's head. Do you think Rambo would have the guts to fight against the Alpha and the Omega?


 
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Eugene!
Do you have 1-2 existential stories to share? Not too sad, or Joe will accuse you of gloomy moroseness, or something.
 
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Do you have 1-2 existential stories to share? Not too sad, or Joe will accuse you of gloomy moroseness, or something.
Yeah, I got a happy one, too. After the two years of draft, I was offered to extend my military service as an officer, so I accepted. Well, the officers don't live in the baracks, they get their own place, provided to them by the Army. The Army couldn't find a place for me, though, so they negotiated with the local textile factory to house me in the all-women dormatory. End of story.
 
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That's a good optimistic story, Eugene.
 
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