Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
They still have to be calling on behalf of some entity. That enity is the one that will get fined. The call problem is usually a local thing anyway. Windows and siding to name 2. Since Indiana started their no call list a few years ago I don't receive any calls for things like that.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Like with spam it's often hard to track down who is really behind the telemarketeer.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Eventually, the guy has to come to your house to put up the aluminum siding. At that point the guy is fined.
If the foreign company wants to ship free stuff to me then they are more than welcome to do so. If they actually expect to collect their debts from a credit card company then the US government can confiscate that money.Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
We can't tell FedEx who they can and can't work with overseas.
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Why don't we do it this way. Explain to me how it would work for an end to end transaction.Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
While I agree with you in principle, the reality is this is impractical to do. You could make the same claim about spammers, and yet no one sees that as a viable solution. The government simply doesn't have the resources to chase after fly-by-night bacnk accunts.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Why don't we do it this way. Explain to me how it would work for an end to end transaction.
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Maybe it is just me but it seems like one of you is discussing spam and the other telemarketers.
New law (we can intoduce it as part of the anti-terrorist act): all overseas credit card transactions must be held for 30 days. All overseas bank transfers on new accounts must be held at the bank of transfer for 30 days. All US checks cashed overseas must be held for 30 days. Think the banks will object when we tell them they get to hold the money for free for 30 days? Now we have time to seize their money. Case closed.Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
In short, it takes the goverment weeks to get complains, investigate, and put out the message. It takes a business just hours to set up a new identity.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
New law (we can intoduce it as part of the anti-terrorist act): all overseas credit card transactions must be held for 30 days....
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
As to your other ideas... do you really think an overseas company is going to spend thousands of dollars to sell overseas timeshares? Or go look at some web page? Who would even bother?
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The cost for email is zero. That means if you get no responses it is cost effective. Every single response is profit. With a call center you would need a minimum number of hits every single day just to pay for the call center.Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Calling may cost more, but it may have a better response rate, too, and thus still be cost effective.
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Well, I actually don't see a difference. In short, it's unsolicited marketing. The only difference is whether it's by phone or by email.
--Mark
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
The cost for email is zero. That means if you get no responses it is cost effective. Every single response is profit. With a call center you would need a minimum number of hits every single day just to pay for the call center.
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
The NO-CALL-LIST doesn't apply to email. There is also a big difference. Email doesn't force you to get up and answer the computer.
You can also just get a new email address if one starts getting too much junk. Granted you can get your phone number unlisted but there is a cost with that.
Another difference is many people don't want to seem rude and just hang up a phone. This is how many people get scammed they don't want to be impolite and just hang up. What do you do with spam. Do you read it and give a polite reply saying "I'm not interested." Or do you just delete it.
Which other ideas? Call centers work because they are selling a service like long distance or aluminum siding where the person doesn't need a credit card number. That is why I wanted you to explain how it would work from end to end. I don't think you have uncovered a business model for this that could be even remotely profitable. No one is going to buy a time share over the phone. They are going to want you to send them information. They are going to want to talk to a representative in person. They are going to want to see the place. All that takes time which is what you say the government won't have. As far as selling products that is just too funny. No one tries to get credit card numbers from people on a cold call except criminals. Would you give your credit card number to a stranger who called you on the phone?Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Perhaps calling about websites isn't great. But the other ideas still stand, as does my claim.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Which other ideas? Call centers work because they are selling a service like long distance or aluminum siding where the person doesn't need a credit card number.
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
As far as selling products that is just too funny. No one tries to get credit card numbers from people on a cold call except criminals. Would you give your credit card number to a stranger who called you on the phone?
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