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Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say the world will end in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire,
I hold with those who favor fire.
But from what I have seen of hate,
I know that ice is also great
and would suffice.
-- Robert Frost
 
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It's the end of the world as we know it
and I feel fine.
---- REM
 
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Today, in the middle of a ferocious dehydration migraine, I had a glimpse of how many tricks the mind plays on the body to avoid pain.
I think I understand a little better how difficult it is to abandon the illusion of control in our own lives.
For about eight seconds this morning, I felt perfectly willing to Leave. Three people I know, two of them good friends, have died of pancreatic cancer in the last six years and I can't stop thinking about them.
Last night, after the first part of the PBS Special 'The Elegant Universe,' I began to wonder what Einstein might have felt like, skewered at the height of his prestige by new concepts in physics, what it might feel like to bring a revolution into the world only to be superceded by a new revolution that finds the former irrelevant.
One symptom of a migraine headache I get is that my left eye socket feels like it is trying to reject my eyeball. For some reason I come to this endless, circuitous pugilism of personalities we get in MD at times, and I bemoan my own curmudgeony willingness to enter the fray. I can't believe we spend this much time hashing out crap that doesn't matter.
I am going out later today to shop. I want my own jammies. With nightowls on 'em.
I get the idea sometimes that the way I feel today is the way Map lives.
[ October 29, 2003: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]
 
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Last night, after the first part of the PBS Special 'The Elegant Universe,'
Drat! Forgot about that. Lessee now... I'm in luck; my local PBS station has a rebroadcast Friday. Thanks for the reminder though.
 
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Last night, after the first part of the PBS Special 'The Elegant Universe,'
I don't watch it, -- was it about the book, titled the same? Good reading before going to sleep.
I began to wonder what Einstein might have felt like, skewered at the height of his prestige by new concepts in physics, what it might feel like to bring a revolution into the world only to be superceded by a new revolution that finds the former irrelevant.
Einstein spent a lot of time in the search of the Theory Of Everything, and never found it. I don't think he was as upset by the new concepts in physics that contradicted his theory of relativity (such as quantum theory), as he was because he never found the answer to his question: "Is Universe a friendly place?"
I get the idea sometimes that the way I feel today is the way Map lives.
I think the pain of incomprehension that some people experience may be the nature's last defense to guard its secrets. If so, taking the pain may be well worth the benefits.
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Einstein spent a lot of time in the search of the Theory Of Everything, and never found it. I don't think he was as upset by the new concepts in physics that contradicted his theory of relativity (such as quantum theory), as he was because he never found the answer to his question: "Is Universe a friendly place?"
Actually, the impression I got from reading about Einstein was that he really disliked Quantum physics. He thought there was something fundamentally flawed about it. ("God does not play dice with the Universe". ---Albert Einstein "Not only does he play dice but he casts them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking)
 
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I think I understand a little better how difficult it is to abandon the illusion of control in our own lives.
"Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am master of my fate and captain of my soul."
Attributed to Ashleigh Brilliant (quoted in Metamagical Themas by Douglas R. Hofstadter)
 
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I had a weird dream this night. I lived in one of Baltic republics, in a town that one day was occupied by fascists. Occupants did not know themselves what to do with the town and local women, whom I knew remotely, started to help them to наладить[how to say it in English? Fix? Put in order?] life. I watched their activity but did not participate, because I knew they were considered almost as good human beings as the occupants, and I was not. I did not feel any danger, only alienation.
Where this weird stuff come from? I can swear I did not think about fascist occupation last days, much less about Baltic states.
This book looks interesting, I met it in Borders.
Tiger, you sound so existential. Did your woman left you? We'll find you another! Heck, we'll find you two!
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Where this weird stuff come from? I can swear I did not think about fascist occupation last days, much less about Baltic states.
Pretty clear to me, -- your mind is making an analogy of fascist occupation of Baltic states with that of Middle East by America. Latvia, Litvania, and Estonia were known for certain amount of cooperation with the Germans during the WW2, yet resistance was there, too. Not much of a puzzle.
 
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I can't attend the end of the world until the middle of next week at the earliest. But I would like to suggest a few changes - I think the caterers really seem to be challenged by the whole fire/ice scenario. Maybe we ought to just have doughnuts?
 
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I think Michael Ernest and HS Thomas are twins separated at birth. I don't understand either of them.
 
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If Map gets me two women, though, I'm still not sharing.
 
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only communist shares woman.
 
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Many is the times I've been mistaken
And many times confused.
And I've often felt forsaken
And certainly misused.
But I'm all right, I'm all right,
Just weary to my bones.
Still, you don't expect to bright and bon vivant
So far away from home,
So far away from home.
And I don't know a soul that's not been shattered,
I don't have a friend who feels at ease.
I don't know a dream that's not been battered,
Or driven it to it's knees.
But I'm all right, I'm all right,
For we've lived so well so long.
Still, when I think of the road we're travellin' on
I wonder what's gone wrong.
I can't help but wonder what's going on.
And I dreamed I was dying...
I dreamed that my soul rose
Unexpectedly
Looking back down at me,
Smiles reassuring me.
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea.
And I dreamed I was flying...
We come on a ship they call the Mayflower,
We come on a ship that sails the moon.
We come in the age's most uncertain hour
And sing an American Tune.
Oh, it's all right, it's all right,
We can't be forever blessed.
Still, tomorrow's gonna be another working day,
And I'm trying to get somewhere.
That's all I'm trying,
Is to get somewhere.
-- Paul Simon, "An American Tune"
 
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-- Paul Simon, "An American Tune"
Sounds like an un-American tune to me: no smiles, no positive attitude, no confidence, no "hayadoing".
 
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There is no one America.
 
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There is no one America.
Yeah, but there is certain truth in the averages. I summarized my observations here.
 
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