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Enigmatic_Shami
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Can Anyone tell me the Source code of Dictionary including Linear & binary Search with Bubble sort & Selection Sort and addition of words deletion and searching .. Please reply as soon as possible... God Bless you
 
Nick George
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Listen, dude, you are unfortunate enough to have posted this at a time when I, in my current bad mood, was the first to find it.
A. You missed the boat on the Naming Convention. First Name, Last name, not so tough.
B. You do not sound like you need help with a question. You are asking someone to do a project. Why is your buisness, but this forum is for answering questions, not getting source code written. Dictionary sounds to me like an LinearList, if you have questions on that, look it up, and come to us with anything you still don't understand. If you need help with a selection sort, speek of your problem, post faulty code. We will NOT write you out a dictionary class, we will help you with difficulties you have in writing such a class. Did you really expect to find someone willing to go into their favorite editor and write you the project you specified? Come on, man.
[ April 19, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph George ]
[ April 19, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph George ]
 
Dirk Schreckmann
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Enigmatic_Shami,
Welcome to JavaRanch!
We ain't got many rules 'round these parts, but we do got one. Please change your display name to comply with The JavaRanch Naming Policy.
Thanks Pardner! Hope to see you 'round the Ranch!
 
Nathaniel Stoddard
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Joseph,
You've been a member for less than one month before getting fed up--very impressive. It took me about 6.
 
Tim West
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Hahaha...I'm glad I'm not the only one that wants to post things like this (after 2 months for me)...
This has probably been discussed before, but...I think everyone who hangs around here long enough (I don't necessarily count myself here) agrees fairly evenly on what's a fair question and what isn't. Would it be worth adding a "before you post" page, or a "welcome, but..." page, that gives this sort of advice?
I'm thinking of something like Eric S. Raymond's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way", but toned down a bit - folks around here are a whole lot friendlier than the h@XX0rz on your average open-source newsgroup.
That said, something like that may well exist, if it does, perhaps it should be made more easy to find.
Cheers,
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Nathaniel Stoddard
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Tim,
I don't know how useful a page like that would be. Most people miss the naming policy to begin with. Then they finally get in and pump out their first post. So, would somebody who can't spend an extra 3 minutes writing their post spend an extra 3 minutes reading a page about spending an extra 3 minutes writing their post? Well, probably not.
Now we're breaking the rules by talking about this in an unrelated forum! But, I don't think poorly written posts are the problem. I think lack of effort is the problem. For me, it's not that people don't spend the extra 3 minutes. It's that they spend 1, but expect everybody else to spend 20 fixing their problem without doing any leg-work of their own.
The amazing thing is, if somebody had spend those 3 minutes searching google, they would have found an implementation on javaworld ready for download. (Took me about 15 seconds.) Here you go, buddy.
 
Tim West
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Hey Nathaniel,
Feel free to clobber me for continuing this post in the wrong forum. Well, moreover, feel free to move me
You're right - 90% of people would miss such a policy and the 10% that found it probably wouldn't need to read it anyway. I also agree with you entirely on the lack of effort.
That said, the great thing about having the naming policy is that as soon as someone is in breach of it you can say "Hey, we have a policy on this".
If there was a "posting policy", you could say something similar. I accept that hese situations are different (breaking the naming policy is pretty cut-and-dried; many questions are borderline), but it would at least be possible to say "Welcome to JavaRanch, thanks for your question, but why not read this and consider re-posting". (yes, that is a broken link)
Now, ultimately this may not help a lot of the people with their first post, but it might:
  • Help people with their second post, if they made a genuine mistake.
  • Convince them that maybe they should rephrase their question if they really are just trying to get the work done by someone else. Or, they may choose to try somewhere else. Whether or not this is a good thing is debatable.
  • Teach them something about the "etiquette" of asking for Internet forums - I'd wager quite a few people's first post here is their first on any forum anywhere.


  • This kinda goes with the educational nature of JavaRanch - posting etiquette is another thing to learn about and JavaRanch is, I'd say, a fairly appropriate place for it.
    Anyway, this might sound hopelessly optimistic in light of your effort observations but...well, it sounds OK to me. I'd also draft such a policy for you bartenders and such to tear apart, if it was thought worthwhile.
    Still, I'm not gonna get too upset either way - but it's something I've been thinking about.
    Cheers,
    --Tim
     
    Mike Gershman
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    I don't think you're being entirely fair to Shami.
    His web site says
    One of the most important lessons I learned took years to acquire. I try to teach it everywhere I go, in the hope I can short cut the learning curve of those I touch. That lesson is�. The Less I Do, The More I Make.

    Shami is imply following his personal philosophy. Who can fault that?
    [ edited to change the code block with a long unbroken line to a quote block -ds ]
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    Nathaniel Stoddard
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    Tim,
    Maybe you missed it, but I'm a lowly ranch hand still. I sent a message to Ernest Friedman-Hill yesterday about becoming a bartender, but apparently they only give out "promotions" every 6 months or so and I just missed it. So, we're okay until one of the real bartenders sees us and screams at both of us.
    I think a posting policy would be a good thing. I'm curious though what percentage of people continually post here. We spend alot of time nurturing people into a habit of trying to figure things out for themselves instead of begging for others to do it. But it does take a while. Hypothetically, if people just use JavaRanch for 10 posts and then never come back, some sort of posting policy wouldn't be much good as its effects would be seen only after some longer period of time.
    Last I heard there were something like 50,000 registered members here, but I don't quite see that many posts. I know lots of people are wallflowers, but you get the idea.
    It does seem like a lot of work though (and subjective at that). I wouldn't want to be the bartender on duty that day! Some posts are perfectly grammatical and beautiful in their wording--but just aren't appropriate (see the daily "do my homework" posts). That's one thing I love about the certification forums. Most people in there are genuinely wrestling through exam objectives and specs. The worst you get sometimes is the "tell me everything you know about topic xyz."
     
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    Mike,
    He certainly is enigmatic huh? I suppose now you're going to tell me that the reason why I make so little is because I do so much.
     
    Tim West
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    Mike - I guess he figured no-one would bother to spend 3 minutes reading his homepage, so we'd never notice ;-)
    Nathaniel,
    Oh, so you are...I think I never noticed and made an assumption based on the quantity and quality of your posts.
    Yeah, I guess the statistics are working against me a little, but having a policy could also save bartenders & ranch hands some typing ("see here" vs. "cmon, now, do you think this is fair....". As a policy it'd also seem more official than just the debatable sentiments of whoever replies to the posts.
    Also, I think it would work well with the "nurturing" philosophy (or at least the general vibe) of JavaRanch. While we don't want to scare people off, I think it's still reasonable for them to "help us to help them by helping themselves" by doing a bit of reading.
    Now, as you say, this won't do anything for those "one-post wonders". However, people that stay long enough to ask five questions will go better - if the last four are asked properly, rather than only the last three or two, we all save time, and everyone learns more. Even those that only post twice but do read the policy will at least have learned a little about how to post...which is pretty useful "life" knowledge if they plan on posting again on a help forum some time in the rest of their lives ;-)
    Conversely, I can't see how it hurts to have such a policy...maybe I'm just an optimist.
    Cheers,

    --Tim
     
    Nathaniel Stoddard
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    I think I never noticed and made an assumption based on the quantity and quality of your posts

    Wow -- you're going to make me blush. So, do you need a junior developer over there?
    Back to topic though -- I wonder how the big-wig bartenders around here feel about all this. Whether they have some long-term goals for how this community will evolve and how it will be used. I would imagine that after a few thousand posts, these guys (and gals) have a few opinions about this. I've only recently started noticing how bartenders are very explicit about not giving out blatant answers (probably because I've only recently become fed up with some stuff). For instance the "it looks like such and such is happening here. Do you think that 'insert phrase here' might be the problem?" is a good example.
    For me it's just strange to not spend effort trying to find an answer yourself. I'd rather spend 30 minutes digging through API docs and language specs than a day hounding the poor bartenders and others for a quick fix.
     
    Nick George
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    apologies for undue nastiness
     
    Tim West
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    Joseph,
    Look on the bright side - you started an interesting (well for me anyway) debate on this stuff :-)...and I have to admit I've been sorely tempted to write something like you did.
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    Nathaniel,
    Haha we got a junior developer (read: testing/JSP monkey/trivial bug fixer) here - me!

    Back to topic though

    ...shouldn't that read "back off-topic a bit less" ;-)
    I agree with you on the helping yourself vs. hounding bartenders...but I guess that's why we're here now debating this, not off hounding bartenders
    Anyway, I'm also interested to hear what the bartenders have to say. If they don't notice this thread sometime soonish, I'll post something in the "this site" forum.
    Cheers

    --Tim
     
    Nathaniel Stoddard
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    Poor Joseph -- bad day at work? There's a nice thread on alcoholic drinks in the MD forum. Personally, I like a relaxing bowl of Cheerios at the end of my day.
     
    Nathaniel Stoddard
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    Tim,
    Congrats on the position. It's good to hear somebody's hiring juniors these days!
    Perhaps this is the sort of thing they talk about nonstop in the secretive "Moderator" forum. Ohhh, the mysteries. It's probably a good thing this post happened late in the day though. Under normal conditions, I'm afraid it may have not been so civil, with more people jumping in and being "expressive" on both sides. A little while ago there was a post in the SCJD forum that had to do with language issues (rather than effort issues). It seemed to go on forever. From what I've seen, we've got alot of good people on this site though--really patient, and good-natured. This is a "community" though, so we're all in it.
     
    Tim West
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    OK I have to admit - I'm not quite a junior - I'm doing an Internship with Sun. But it's kinda similar stuff I think...well, it has been so far
    And over here (Australia) it's just 11.30AM - so it is early in the day.
    Anyway, now this is genuinely off-topic, and I really should get back to work. This one really caught my interest though.
    Cheers,

    --Tim
     
    Nick George
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    In case you're curious, (academically interesting at this point), I concurrently blew up on another thread, "Please view this: java questions!!!" I think i came out with some good points on that outburst.
    If you see either Nick George or Joseph George, know that both are me. I know that this is highly unorthodox, but it's a bit of a long story.
    [ April 19, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph George ]
     
    Nathaniel Stoddard
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    Nick,
    There's no need to apologize. Apparently you're not the only one who's had a bad day today. Heck, even I'd have a bad day at work every once in a while if I had a job. One of the bartenders did make a good point the other day (that I had never really thought about) regarding the fact that it's necessary to use good English due to the fact that many people use Internet sites to translate JavaRanch.
    I only had one class in linguistics (or would that be Linguistics) in college, but I would imagine it would be hard for Google to correctly translate "V" within that context! So, it's not as if the only reason is for the sake of our sanity--it really has to do with everybody.
     
    Nick George
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    perhaps the Gentleman is making a call back to the classic Roman use of the character V to be a U?
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