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Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
The death penalty is over in Britain and it will never be coming back. One of the most important reasons? Someone would be wrongly executed within five years of reintroduction, as obviously as night follows day.
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
But the Liberal Democrats said the comments signalled a "shift to the right of terrifying proportions".
You have to love political rhetoric. It is "terrifying" that someone wants to execute brutal serial killers?
"As obviously as night follows day"? What leads you to this conclusion? There is no evidence that any innocent people have been executed in the USA since the reinstatement of the death penalty. We have come close but the justice system apparently works to prevent it.Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
The death penalty is over in Britain and it will never be coming back. One of the most important reasons? Someone would be wrongly executed within five years of reintroduction, as obviously as night follows day.
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Originally posted by Tim Baker:
Cars give you a social benefit, executing someone leads to no benefit at all. Often it costs more to execute someone that it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives.
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"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
I'm not sure that is an argument for eliminating the death penalty. It sounds more like an argument that we don't execute enough people!Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
As for the states I'm not an expert but I know there is a lot of info about how poor/uneducated/black people are more likely to end up on Death Row.
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"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
As I said, I am not aware of any cases since the reinstitution of the death penalty. The system is designed to prevent innocent people from being executed.Originally posted by Tim Baker:
And there have been many documented cases of innocent people who have been executed in america, obviously I don't have them to hand, but I'm sure if you looked properly you would find them.
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Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
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Originally posted by Tim Baker:
The UK as a whole doesn't, that story above is just one guy and he has little to no public support on the issue.
"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
Public executions....don't make me laugh. Seems like you know nothing about the history of the death penalty and abolition in the UK.
I forgot to add this...
Seems like you know nothing about the history of the death penalty and abolition in the UK.We have had some terrible terrorist outrages here but there was never a serious campaign to bring back the death penalty
Seriously, would you like to remind me and the Shadow Home Minister what there is about that history that will ensure it never returns. I recall reading something about the last murderer executed in Britain was a woman and there was some political scandal.
So if Monica Lewinsky murders Bill Clinton round about the time that Hilary Clinton gets elected in 2008 will the death penalty similarly be abolished in the States? The moral test for Hilary Clinton would be whether to abolish it before or after Monica is executed.
It's about as likely as Posh Spice singing opera at la scala
If that does happen, I read it here first
[ December 22, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
The death penalty had been available for five military wartime offences: Serious Misconduct in Action; Communicating with the Enemy; Aiding the Enemy or Furnishing Supplies; Obstructing Operations or Giving False Air Signals; Mutiny, Incitement to Mutiny or Failure to Suppress a Mutiny. The last execution under military law was in 1942. In July 1998, Armed Forces Minister Dr John Reid MP had announced that the Government would repeal the death penalty for military offences - and that this had the support of the military top brass.
The UK Government made an international commitment to the permanent abolition of the death penalty on 20 May 1999, when it ratified Protocol 6 to the European Convention on Human Rights. Protocol 6 is an international human rights treaty which commits a government to the permanent abolition of the death penalty. It has been ratified by all other European Union member states.
On 10th December 1999, International Human Rights Day, the UK Government ratified the other international treaty which bans the death penalty, the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and completed the journey to total abolition.
This historic transformation marks the end of a long campaign to get Britain to say "never" to the rope. It is also a landmark victory for campaigning by Amnesty International and by other organisations opposed to the death penalty. It follows the abolition of the death penalty for treason and piracy in the 1998 Crime and Disorder Act and is part of a global trend which has made massive strides in recent years.
"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Tim Baker: The UK as a whole doesn't, that story above is just one guy and he has little to no public support on the issue.
"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
I've read that a majority of the UK has always favored the death penalty, but people who have been educated at elite universities overwhelmingly oppose it, and they are the ones who run the country.
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
I believe that British gun control was instituted largely to trick the populace into thinking that something was being done about violent crime so that they wouldn't start demanding a return to the death penalty. That tactic has largely run its course, so what will be the new tactic?
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
You'll probably end up with more unofficial executions -- convicts who were allowed to be murdered by other criminals (e.g. Jeffrey Dahmer who was killed by other prisoners) or by the arresting police. For example, I vaguely remember a mass shooting recently on the continent -- either France or Switzerland -- in which the shooter was captured alive but managed to "jump out" of a window to his death while in the custody of police. (Does anyone else remember reading about something like that?)
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
When government abdicates its role as the source of vengeance, society falls to a lower level of civilization in which people could only rely on their friends and family for vengeance.[ December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Frank Silbermann ]
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
After quoting: As for the states I'm not an expert but I know there is a lot of info about how poor/uneducated/black people are more likely to end up on Death Row.
I'm not sure that is an argument for eliminating the death penalty. It sounds more like an argument that we don't execute enough people!
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Is the fact that someone will be wrongly executed a valid justification for never executing anyone?
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Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
The guy who jumped out of the window was in France I believe.
Anyway the UK is much smaller, so it's much harder to set up your own
freedom compound Idaho style!
"....bigmouth strikes again, and I've got no right to take my place with the human race...."<p>SCJP 1.4
Originally posted by Mike Curwen:
Yah! Let's kill more ignorant poor minorities! That'll show 'em!! (Or did I miss something in translation?) Perhaps you meant just 'more people' regardless of the 3 factors in question. But then you say you're not supporting the Death Penalty as a deterrent. So i'm a bit confused.
Originally posted by Mike Curwen:
I've never cottoned to the idea that 'the state' can somehow reserve this 'right', while the rest of us would get arrested, and possibly share the same fate as our vicitim, if we were to perpetrate the same act, regardless of motivation or 'rightness'.
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I think you missed the point, Mike. The previous post had suggested that too many minorities were being executed. The obvious solution is too execute more white people, isn't it? Looking at the stats I also noticed that women are woefully under-represented on death row so we will need to execute more women as well.
I do not think the death penalty is a deterrent. I think it is justice.
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