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Do many programmers have an intellectual nature?

 
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I am not a programmer (or developer if thats more correct). However I have been curious about it. I'm not any greater than a novice philosopher as well.
I know that I can learn anything that computer science has to offer. It seems like most jobs won't often call on the more interesting questions that academics get to ask, though.
I am an outsider in every respect, and an autodidact, but I wonder if many programmer, retain a zeal for things to do with logic and philosophy? Or even math for that matter.
I guess I am looking for an attractive group.
 
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I'd look elsewhere if I were you.
 
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Not really. My experience has been that most tech savvy guys are least philosophical.
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Originally posted by Meadowlark Bradsher:
It seems like most jobs won't often call on the more interesting questions that academics get to ask, though.


Can you give us an example. I'd definetly be interested in these questions.


I am an outsider in every respect, and an autodidact, but I wonder if many programmer, retain a zeal for things to do with logic and philosophy? Or even math for that matter.


You're at the right place. There are several members on this forum who retain a zeal for things to do with logic / philosophy. You can browse through various threads to find out more


I guess I am looking for an attractive group.


I dont know about the rest of the community, but I look like a frog!
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Originally posted by vasu maj:
Not really. My experience has been that most tech savvy guys are least philosophical.


That's an amusing slip; I happen to agree with it.
 
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MB: I am an outsider in every respect, and an autodidact, but I wonder if many programmer, retain a zeal for things to do with logic and philosophy? Or even math for that matter.
Probably no more than any other group besides professional logicians, mathematicians, and philosophers.
I guess I am looking for an attractive group.
To hang out physically or virtually? If the latter, there is such a wonderful thing as the Internet, where you can find almost any community to share your interests with. Or even several communities!
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Well we can discuss the History of Science and Technology that might interest to the programmers also.
 
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Do many programmers have an intellectual nature ?
They think they do, IMO. Probably something to do with working in an enviroment where the variables are controlable. Same as a lot of engineers I supose, too materialistic.
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Programmers are people who for some unknown reason find it exciting to make computers display "Hello World". The good news is not all people are like that.
 
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Re:

Originally posted by vasu maj:
Not really. My experience has been that most tech savvy guys are least philosophical.
Vasu


You wrote...

Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

That's an amusing slip; I happen to agree with it.


That's interesting.
I probably would not be a good judge anyway.
I am at such a beginning level. I can understand a few things in a cursory manner. I can drop names like Godel, Leibniz, or Turing that I have learned from a few sources are worth exploring further. I kind of look upon them as rock stars.
I am certainly hungry for these kinds of subjects even if I am not sophisticated in them.
I suppose its really more history than anything intellectual unless you are actually approaching new problems. I'm certainly not. I just love hearing about the subjects from people who love them.
 
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Paul, regarding an example...
I just remember talking to a "step-cousin?" who programs and he told me he never gets to do much of anything interesting, just a lot of basic flow controls.
Except there was a time when he had to construct an interesting algorithm that explored a tree.
That's okay but not exciting either. Who am I kidding anyway? You'd have to be an academic or a specialist engineer of some kind to get to do interesting stuff. Or a hack.
I imagine in the old days when you had to work with limited resources that the lifestyle produced a lot of problem solving glory. Maybe small device programmers still get to enjoy this kind of experience.
Oh and AI programmers probably do too. Big Time.
I'm still getting the big picture.
 
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Okay, I'm getting the big picture. I don't have a specific example of an interesting problem. Not sure where to find one, or if I'd be ready to handle it anyway.
I suppose I also used philosophy and logic interchangeably, though they aren't always that way. Then there is semiotics, which influences AI.
All I can do is continue to learn to appreciate the value of solutions already discovered.
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The single best way to participate in such discussions is to host them. But look for people, not a line of work. While it's true that IT in the United States draws on a variety of academic disciplines, it's certainly not the most intellectually stimulating environment in the world. Go find people that love these ideas and invite them to some kind of forum where you can all share.
 
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MD: All I can do is continue to learn to appreciate the value of solutions already discovered.
Well, that's a bit fatalistic. The slope of the discovery curve is far from saturation.
 
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I think it depends what you mean by intellectuals.
Programmers are thinkers and problem solvers. Is that intellectual?
I think software development is generally a hands on discipline, so there is no reason for me to believe that people who practice it will be any more or less interested in philosophy than anyone else.
Half of me thinks less, because it is a down to earth logical process. The other half thinks that you are often thinking about design and abstraction, so it is philosophical.
So maybe half & half.
 
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Originally posted by stara szkapa:
Programmers are people who for some unknown reason find it exciting to make computers display "Hello World". The good news is not all people are like that.


The real excitement is in getting the computer to be polite, not in the exact phrase "Hello World" (though it is often the first step in the process).
 
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