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Henas Cirtak
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I'm trying to learn Java. I've always wanted to learn so I decided to go at it full time. My goal is to be a professional Java Programmer someday... which I asume many on this site are. So my question is how did people turn Java Pros? I am currently half way done with my Java Diploma from Education Direct. It's an online program. I don't recommend it because you get "0" feedback from the instructors. Anyway how'd you guys get so good a Java. Thanks in advance... Patrick
 
Mike Gershman
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You get to be a good programmer by writing lots of programs of increasing complexity and by reading really good code. Don't forget the style rules - Java programmers consider them essential. You can find lots of help here at JavaRanch - just ask.

To make a living as a programmer, you'll want to at least learn Java through j2ee, an IDE like NetBeans, UML, and SQL. Check out a few job boards like monster.com for what employers are currently looking for.

Now the bad news ... the entry level job market in North America and Western Europe is thin right now. Most jobs require a few years paid experience. However, if you have the qualifications and persistence, you can find entry level positions through networking with friends, friends of friends, etc. Your library will have books on how to do this.

If you have a BS degree or better, you can also try corporate web sites for entry level jobs.

Good Luck. Programming is a great career.
 
Henas Cirtak
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Thanks Mike... what do you mean by style rules? Do you have a Java job?
 
Mike Gershman
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These are Sun's official style rules:
http://java.sun.com/docs/codeconv/html/CodeConvTOC.doc.html

And here is the somewhat stricter JavaRanch version:
http://www.javaranch.com/style.jsp

As for me, I'm a retired systems manager and recent MS-CS looking to teach Java.
 
Henas Cirtak
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Thanks Mike!! As far as I'm concerned you're already a great teacher now!! Appreciate the help and guidance!!
 
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You might want to take a look at the JavaRanch Cattle Drive: http://www.javaranch.com/drive/about.jsp
 
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