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What I've Learned

 
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Howdy folks!
I've done some review of my own topics over the past months, and frankly I'm not happy with them. While I am comfortable with my positions, I am not comfortable with the direction the conversations have taken, nor am I happy with my less than complimentary comments about others here.
I in particular want to apologize to Tom, Map, and Paul McKenna. You folks are simply presenting your views and while I most heartily disagree with them, that in no way gives me the right to disparage you as individuals. You are intelligent, outspoken people with views I just happen to disagree with, however strongly. From them, I've learned that I need to let my views co-exist with opposing views - live and let live.
I wuold apologize as well to Eugene and Ravish, but I don't think either of them actually care . Unlike some of us here, neither of them seem to particularly care what we think; they're comfortable in their own world view and quite able to express it. What I've learned from the two of them is that there are honest, intelligent people who can have views that I think come from the planet Jupiter (as no doubt they consider mine).
Anyway, I've managed to piss a lot of people off in a fairly short time. There is a second list of folks like Joe King and Ernest who I've been less than civil with on occasion. It really wasn't my intent, but it would in fact probably be quicker to list the people I haven't pissed off than the people I have. And, believe it or not, that's really not the way I like to behave. If you knew me personally, you'd know that I prefer to have clean, civil debates where everybody learns something. Heck, you might even like me .
I've learned a lot here. I now know more about various religious and political outlooks than I would ever have known before. I can understand why many non-Americans distrust and even hate my country. I know that there are things that need to be worked on for the world to be a more peaceful place and that Anmerican interests don't always coincide with the rest of the world. But by and large, I still think we do more good on balance than bad.
I believe it is right and just to depose evil regimes. I think it should be done by a coalition, but I believe there are times when politics gets in the way of what is right. I don't have a good answer for what to do in all situations, and I know that many things about Iraq were handled poorly, even though in my mind the outcome was correct.
I think outsourcing and visas pose a serious threat to the economy of America, but I can see where many developing countries simply see it as a necessary harmonization, and that they all deserve a standard of living equal to ours. The truth, though, is that such harmonization can't happen overnight and that if the trend continues, the American economy is in danger of a crash. The last time the American economy went casters up, it threw the world into a tailspin, and we were much less interdependent back then. Another Great Depression in America, and the whole world is going to be in trouble. I think we need a way to moderate this "harmonization", and it has to be done by building up developing countries WITHOUT tearing down America.
I believe that religious freedom is an absolute requirement for freedom worldwide. If you want to live in a global world, then everybody is going to have to accept everybody else's religion. There is no room in the world for fundamentalism of any kind, be it Christian, Muslim or any other flavor. All religions will have to co-exist, and the best model of that is right here in America. All religions live together; a bit uneasily at times, but we manage. We cannot live in a world where religious practices infringe on human rights.
Anyway, as I said I've learned a lot. The reason I'm putting down my views here and donig some apologizing is that I really do have to leave for a while. The time and energy I've put forth over the last few months is energy that from now on needs to go to my wife and children, both the new baby and the wonderful step-daughter I was blessed to gain in my marriage. In the great order of things, the time I spend here can be better put to use there.
I know I've said this before, but I really am going to bow out of the political battles here in MD for an indeterminate time. I wanted to make sure everyone knew it was not because of any differences with anyone here; in fact, any hard feelings are at least in part due to my own crotchety nature .
Peace to you all.
Joe
 
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Welcome back to MD
 
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Anyway, I've managed to piss a lot of people off in a fairly short time. There is a second list of folks like Joe King and Ernest who I've been less than civil with on occasion. It really wasn't my intent, but it would in fact probably be quicker to list the people I haven't pissed off than the people I have. And, believe it or not, that's really not the way I like to behave. If you knew me personally, you'd know that I prefer to have clean, civil debates where everybody learns something. Heck, you might even like me


Part of the problem with communicating purely through text (and dodgy emoticons) is that this misses off a huge chunk of how we communicate in "real life". If we were to be having a debate in person many factors such as body language, facial expession, tone of voice etc would help give a fuller message. Trouble with debating on a forum is that its hard to convey these things, and what may be intended as a light hearted comment can sound like an angry rant.
Personally I can only think of one occassion when I've actually been angry when replying to something on here - for the most part I really enjoy the debating on here (hell, I wouldn't do it if I didn't). I'm sure if we were to be having the same kind of debates over a couple of beers it would be a friendly and (semi) polite debate.
Joe - yes I disagree with some things that you say, but it'd be a boring debate if we agreed on everything . I certainly don't feel pissed off, and I hope I haven't pissed you (and other people) off too much.
Anyway, here's to more heated, interesting and above all fun debating
 
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Don t worry about it man, you did nothing wrong apart from disagreeing . No seriously, please do disagree, ahve your own mind a-and express it. It s normal sometimes, in the heart of a warm debate that things get a bit out of hands, but I don t think they really did.
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Dont you think world wont be perfect if one of us is missing
 
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RKS: Dont you think world wont be perfect if one of us is missing
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO!!!
I love for bin Laden to permanently disappear. Most favorably, BEFORE November!!
 
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Originally posted by John Dunn:
RKS: Dont you think world wont be perfect if one of us is missing
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO!!!
I love for bin Laden to permanently disappear. Most favorably, BEFORE November!!


if OBL wont be there then how a brutal dictator would be removed ??
 
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What I've Learned
That if one leave MD today and comes back a couple of years later, then things will not have changed much. There are certain things that are permanent. Some examples:
Repeatedly reminding others about US double standards - never a quitter, fun loving, R.K.Singh
Punching everyone with his excellent one-liners - selective about his battles, Paul Stevens
Convincing people why the greatest economy in the world suddenly seems in danger - good hearted, Joe Pluta
Patiently explaining Joe how he is incorrect just about everything - lost in translations, Mapraputa Is
Reading at the rate of 100 books a year and arguing in MD at the rate of 100 posts a week, - top Amazon reviewer, Thomas Paul
Plotting graphs to anylize the influences of Christianity over his vision of a perfect state - with non-linear sense of humor, Eugene Kononov
Religiously defending the acts of american troops, anytime, anywhere - with lots of common sense, Jason Menard
Twisting words to send cryptic messages - the cunning linguist, Michael Ernest
Using MD for his personal blog entries - the ever-present H.S.Thomas
Reporting unedited information straight from the source in Europe- our friendly and unbaised correspondent in Germany, Axel Jenssen
Beleiving that Rush Limbaugh has a solution to all the problems; the first solution being, blame them liberals - the far swung conservative, Paul McKenna
Calmly moderating MD with his words of wisdom - the down to earth, cool headed, Jim Yingst
Occasionaly reminding people to be nice, forcing them to smile once in a while by posting shamelessly stolen jokes from the net - the trailboss
Many others that don't post too often, or I haven't analysed them yet - the low-profile ranchers
And many more who are always enjoying the meaningful conversations here - the silent lurkers
 
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Joe, recently our wonderfull sheriff Frank shared with us his poem, and I cannot resist to present it here.
Flame
As I look at his words I can feel,
the hairs on the back of my neck.
How could he be so stupid?
How could he write so much dreck?
I can't understand such a viewpoint.
Who let him onto the 'net?
Fuming, I scrabble an answer
I'm ready to send it, I'm set...
Then I notice a few silly letters,
typed in unusual style.
And I see, if I turn my head sideways,
it almost, just, looks like a smile.
 
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Twisting words to send cryptic messages - the cunning linguist, Michael Ernest


There is a good one-liner there. But I will leave it alone.
 
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