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Rumsfeld revisited

 
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I almost feel bad for the guy watching him squirm like that....
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Don't feel bad.
Feel fear!
 
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Rumsfeld started that interview hoping these guys didn't do their homework, and OH MY GOODNESS did he fall into a simple trap. Caught, red-handed, trying to foist his own words off as the fear and paranoia of other people. He deserved every second of it.
Bush won't care. Rumsfeld's job is secure, as is his lack of credibility.
 
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Here is another good one.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Here is another good one.


What surprised and disturbed me most about this other "good one" was that there was actually a "replay" button at the end. Wow.
 
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And here is a database of who in Bush administration said what.
 
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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT RUMSFELD SAID.
As a consevative I know that my beliefs are under a much higher level of scrutiny than conventional wisdom. We conservatives must always offer a much higher standard of proof in order not to be dismissed entirely. Therefore, I continually investigate any claims that conservative beliefs have been proven to be incorrect. That's why I clicked on this thread when I saw it.
Saying "more immediate threat" has a different meaning than "immediate threat" without the qualifying "more." Although this may sound like arguing about what the meaning of the word "is" is (which many of you don't have a problem with), it really isn't.
Take the phrase "immediate need," for example. If some people suddenly found themselves shipwrecked on an island, their needs would be food, water, and shelter. However, as long as the weather was nice, their "most immediate need" would be water, and one of them could say this even if none of them were thirsty at the time. On the other hand, if they were dying of thirst, then water would become an "immediate need" without the "more."
Yes, Rumsfeld was squirming, but not because he was caught in a lie. The administration HAS been embarrassed by faulty intelligence (at least that is APPARENTLY the case. It took us a lot longer than one would have expected to find Saddam. During the months we couldn't find HIM, no one was stupid enough to suggest that that meant he never existed). But people have to realize that intelligence gathering cannot be an exact science. We had intelligence that said that Hitler was working hard to produce an atomic weapon, and after the war that turned out not to be true. So were the people who produced the intelligence reports about Hitler "liars?"
What we DO know is that Saddam was killing his own people off by the thousands while TRYING to obtain weapons of mass destruction. Now we've closed the mass graves, shut down the torture chambers, and put a stop to his efforts that might have eventually succeeded. Now Saddam will have no more terrorist training camps and will no longer give money to the families of suicide bombers.
That some people find this to be a bad thing alternately saddens, angers, and scares me.
 
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I think if you're parsing the difference between "immediate" and "more immediate" you're grasping for straws.
At the beginning of the tape that MoveOn is having so much fun replaying, Rumsfield said he had no recollection of anyone characterizing the problem of imminent danger other than his questions. One presumes he means the so-called liberal media in general. There's nothing subtle about that statement.
If there's nothing to be alarmed about, it's that this kind of thing goes down on Face the Nation all the time. Politicians routinely get rebuffed when they make contradictory assertions about their positions.
Watch Rumsfield stutter at the end of the tape, Jeff. Rumsfeld knew he was caught.
 
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Originally posted by Jeff Fisher:

As a consevative I know that my beliefs are under a much higher level of scrutiny than conventional wisdom.


By me not:
- I am living in an alliance of the weasel country.
- I've voted ecological party 2 times in federal elections (though I currently am in favour of conservatives in my country).
- Being American, I would vote Kerry.
So I tend more to the left (for american terms). More to the right for Germany.
Do American conservatives feel as a persecuted group in USA?
[ March 29, 2004: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
 
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Axel: So I tend more to the left (for american terms). More to the right for Germany.
Do you mean that the liberals are associated with the word "right" in Germany? That is, the Nazis are on the left, and the communists are on the right? Or are you saying that the views of an American liberal can be considered conservative in Germany?
 
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Do American conservatives feel as a persecuted group in USA?
Yup. Well, here in NYC, anyway. It's seriously liberal, but they'll vote Republican for Rudy in 2008.
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:

...or are you saying that the views of an American liberal can be considered conservative in Germany?


That last one, which does not count for every single issue, but for quite a few.
 
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To Axel,
No, I don't think most conservatives in the USA feel persecuted. However, there are more sensitive ones like me who probably let their feelings get hurt too easily. Conventional wisdom has it that consevatives are both evil and stupid - knuckle-dragging bigots, that sort of thing.
But my worry about the future of this country has a greater emotional impact than any feelings of persecution.
 
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This is damn American culture of animosity. People with different political views don't understand each other, they don't even bother to listen to each other, but that's still not enough. They cannot settle for less than all-out war!
 
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Map: This is damn American culture of animosity. People with different political views don't understand each other, they don't even bother to listen to each other, but that's still not enough. They cannot settle for less than all-out war!
Dunno 'bout that. A sizable number of wars in MD are started and fought by the Russian ranchers.
 
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On the other hand, without a good fight life is so booooring!
 
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