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Your naming policy is flagrantly unfair

 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
This is just silly. The owner of the site wants first name - last name. Anyone who is uncomfortable with following the guideline can use the Sun forums. We have had this guideline for 2 years so we are unlikely to change it now.


Ah the 'take it or leave it' justification. I was wondering when that was going to come up. What took you so long?
The stated goal of the naming policy was to enhance the professionalism here. If the rule can't be respectfully questioned and debated, that's not enhancing a professional attitude. I also fail to see how dictating to someone what their name is going to look like enhances professionalism. I've asked the question, but I've yet to receive an answer. It's really not silly, it's a valid point.
The reason why it's not silly is because we're not talking about people who want their usernames to be "LongDong" or "StudMuffin" or some other nonsense like that. I think we're all in agreement that this type of username does nothing for enhancing a professional environment, and is the height of silliness.
Rules are made for people, not people for rules, and if a rule can't be respectfully and professionally questioned, then the rule is (in my eyes) not useful or justified.
The question was raised to me "What would you suggest". My suggestion is this: the policy should just be that you log in with your real name. How you formulate your real name is up to you, but it must be your real name.
This will preclude "StudMuffin" or "WetCarla36DD" from creating those types of usernames, while still respecting each of us as individuals. It seems silly to sanction someone who puts their name as "J.D. Walker" for example, rather than "Jay Walker".
And now I'm done.
 
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Originally posted by J.D. Walker:

My suggestion is this: the policy should just be that you log in with your real name. How you formulate your real name is up to you, but it must be your real name.


Yeah - We tried that. But how do we know if someone is using their real name? That would be impossible to moderate. And if we use that rule - I am in violation of it because Cindy is not my real name - it is Cynthia :roll: .
And just exactly why is YOUR way better than the way that it is?? I don't see any benefit.
Doing it this way has one BIG benefit. It keeps Paul Wheaton happy. That way he will keep paying the server bill to keep the site up and running. He owns the place - lock stock and barrel. He never set out to make sure that all of his (two :roll: ) rules make everybody else happy. Considering that he is looking for a job (therefore no income) at this very moment - that is very high on my priority list.
Rule 1 - be nice.
Rule 2 - follow the naming policy.
Sheesh.
[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: Cindy Glass ]
 
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How about we just start charging for memberships, then anyone can use any name they want to? Or better yet, let the ones who don't want to follow the naming policy pay for THEIR membership to the ranch. How about even per post?
GEEEEZ. Do we need a Naming Policy Forum?

I think people just like to complain.
 
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Why not change the rule to "use your own name"?
1) Some people are just wiggy about privacy. They are really uncomfortable about using their real name on the internet. I like the idea that they can participate comfortably here and it at least appears like they are using a real name.
2) What if Bill Joy wants to hang out a bit, but doesn't want folks to know it's him?
3) Some people have just one name. And sometimes that one name inspires others to have "creative" names.
I think the important thing is that for a variety of reasons we have come up with a recipe for this community. And many of us think that this recipe is working pretty damn good! It is far from perfection, but it definitly working well.
So far I haven't seen something else that I think is worth trying. And by "worth", I mean that the gains of the new idea outweigh the risk of screwing up what we already have going.
 
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Originally posted by J.D. Walker:
It seems silly to sanction someone who puts their name as "J.D. Walker" for example, rather than "Jay Walker".


You've brought this up a couple of times. Initials for the "first name" are acceptable. We used to have a JC who was pretty active for a while. No problem. However, you cannot use an initial for your last name.

People who are uncomfortable letting people know they are posting here at JavaRanch may post as Bill Smith if they want to (and if that name isn't already taken) or as WR Smith or even as W Smith, but not as Bill S.
 
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I don't understand why the JavaRanch naming rules cause so much discussion. I think the people who run JavaRanch spend too much time on the name issue, but it's their site and if that's how they want to run things then good luck and generally the site has a professional atmosphere. Perhaps the naming thing helps, I don't know.
I know of one quite good Java discussion forum that makes no requirements of the name chosen. One person decided to call themselves Adolph Hitler. Unless Mr H starts to advocate the policies of the original Mr H I don't take much notice. Actually I won't take much notice if Mr H asks a sensible Java Question as he has not endeared himself to me by his name choice.
On the subject of name reversal in different cultures. My name is Marcus Green so folks from a western background call me Mr Green. I have noticed that folks from other backgrounds sometimes call me Mr Marcus. If they call me Mr Green Marcus I wouldn't mind that either. If that was they way they deal with names and felt comfortable with, fine with me.If someone ran a discussion forum and wanted me to present my name that way, then thats OK, especially if it gave me access to expert advice that would cost real money on the open market.
And last of all, remember that the complaints about the naming convention are about a free service.Running this system takes up hundreds of hours of the time of genuine experts, they ask for one little thing a naming convention. If you don't like this it is easy to set up a rival system with a different naming convention requirement.It would require spending very little money, but it would require thousands of hours to maintain.
JavaRanch has a naming convention requirement, get used to it.
Marcus
 
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Isn't it interesting that stuff like this only comes up in the U.S.? What's the first thing we do when we're transferred to countries outside the U.S.? We learn the local language and customs. We don't say, "hey, why aren't the road signs in English?".
This thread is taking political correctness a little too far. Is the forum software racist for not dealing ideally with other cultures? I think it would be better to say it lacks that flexibility. Maybe someday, the software will have an option to accommodate people who go by surname then firstname. But like all software it has to evolve.
 
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Hear hear! I am completely with all of that.
 
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"What's the first thing we do when we're transferred to countries outside the U.S.? We learn the local language and customs. We don't say, "hey, why aren't the road signs in English?"
Well the British say exactly that, only loudly and slowly so the locals will understand
 
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