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Originally posted by Matthew Phillips:
I think democracies are a generally bad idea for large numbers of people.



Wage term "large number". You want to say that its good that China (largest population) does not have democarcy
I think its better to give this responsibility of deleting and editing threads to some bartenders/sheriff and relax.
And obviously I would like to have right to cry/plea/shout.
 
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Democracies rarely work for any group of more than a thousand people. That is why the US is a representative democracy and not just a plain old democracy. I think the only true democracy is Switzerland and you know what they say about Switzerland:
"In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed -- but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
 
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Thread hijack alert! Continue in MD, please!
[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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Is our FLAMECON up to yellow in this thread yet?
 
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here are my 2 cents...
i would hope this stays a java site, and not a place where people come to vent fustration. if i found myself having to defend/argue opinions instead of learning about java, i would stop comming as often. i like this site because it is like a professional job with casual attire. it is focused, but not stuffy.
i also think the owner can do whatever he wants. he owns the place. he was nice enough to invite everyone to come here to discuss java. why not say thank you instead of complaining?
in other words, he is giving us something valuable for free. i learned things here i now use at work. anyways, i like the place and hope it remains focused on java.
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There is no question that this will always be a Java site. The only possibility is that one fourm may be for non-Java stuff. Those not interested can ignore it.
 
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Democracies rarely work for any group of more than a thousand people. That is why the US is a representative democracy and not just a plain old democracy. I think the only true democracy is Switzerland and you know what they say about Switzerland:


The English word 'democracy' comes from a Greek word meaning mob rule. That's why things like this site work better with a moderator who is in control.
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The interesting thing about Swiss democracy is, on seeing the low percentage poll turnout, it is only truely appreciated by those foreigners (I was one) and political asylum seekers who are living here.
 
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The interesting thing about Swiss democracy is, on seeing the low percentage poll turnout, it is only truely appreciated by those foreigners (I was one) and political asylum seekers who are living here.


What particular aspects of Swiss democracy do you appreciate? How is it different from the US democracy? You know, I am happy to live in a country where the sheriffs do not come to the senate to censor the senator speeches, even if the speakers are hostile and personal, or talking nonsense and propaganda. But if Switzerland offers even more democratic democracy ( ), I would consider emigration, once again!
Eugene.
 
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Re: Swiss Democracy
One difference is you can start an "initiative" and provided you get a petition signed by a certain number of people ( 100,000 I think ) who are eligible to vote, the initiative ( together with a possible opposition initiative ) must be put to the whole population to vote on. This is called Direct Democracy.
There are initiatives to get out of Atomic Power, initiatives for and against reforming the Army, initiatives for and against financing local projects, you name it.
My point was, when an initiative is put to a vote, the percentage of people bothering themselves to vote (either way) can be as low as 20% to 30%.
Thomas mentioned the "Swiss Democracy" above, I just wanted to mention that people here in Switzerland do not always realise what a jewel they have.
By the way, there is still censorship (by the courts). The book "Forbidden Truth" was not available for sale in Switzerland even though it was in the USA and the rest of Europe. The censorship has since been withdrawn.
 
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