Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Mark, I am going to do what is not really nice, but is needed to be done - woop your tail. So bare with me for just a second. :p
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
All these people have to work twice as hard as your typical know-it-all MIT-Stanford-Cornell grad to get what they deserve. Based on that book's "10-to-one" rethorical analysis there's a definite top-school discrimination that is going on.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Again, as I mentioned before, I am not a born hacker. But since my resume is definitely overlooked by top companies, I had only worked with a hand full of people worth even discussing programming issues with.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
And since this thread is about recruiting agencies, I have noticed that some of them completely support your point of view. Somehow.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Jason, btw, has a very valid point about skilled/unskilled resources. Say, you outsorce textile industry. Comes war, it is very easy to restore it, it doesn't take years of education and millions in investments.
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
I do not think national infrastucture is as closely coupled to national defense, as you do (I'm not saying it's not, just that we view how closely they are related differently).
Established in February 1998, the NIPC's mission is to serve as the U.S. government's focal point for threat assessment, warning, investigation, and response for threats or attacks against our critical infrastructures. These infrastructures, which include telecommunications, energy, banking and finance, water systems, government operations, and emergency services, are the foundation upon which our industrialized society is based.
You're missing the point. What are you doing about it today, now that you know about the problem? Aren't you worried that in 10-20 years we'll be unable to produce many computers in the US--not enough to meet our needs, anyway? You don't see that as a problem?
Au contraire, I think they do hold. The ratio of skilled or unskilled has nothing to do with it. The automotive industry is considered critical to national defense (they make things like tanks when we go to war). It doesn't matter that automotive products are designed by a few "skilled" workers, i.e. automotive engineers, and produced by many "unskilled" ones, i.e. assembly line workers. If it leaves our country and we go to war, we could be in trouble. More to the point, be it automotive or silicon, after 30 years of non-production you lack facilities, appropriately trained labor, the ability to rapidly train new labor. And when it comes to tank production during a war, one year *is* a decade!
And yet, this is what happened in the last 30 years! Despite such imports, the automotive industry has survived. We saw an increase in Asian cars, and Ford, GM, and Chryster are still in business. But don't take my word for it, go read about proposed economic policies of the 80's wrt to automotive industry and look at the state of the industry today after such imports flooded our shores.
The only key differences between software and these other fields is free natural resources (i.e. you only need brains) and zero cost in shipping and deployment. Of course software doesn't magically pop into your computer, but it can be replicated and transported at near zero cost, unlike physical goods. This makes it an even more ideal candidate to be freed from national boundaries.
Posted by Mark Herschberg:
the top companies overlook you, it's probably their loss. (Perhaps little consolation when unemployed.)
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
No such luck. My only inside source is Google.![]()
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
We are free of course to hold different views on this, however I should mention that the US government does very closely couple national infrastructure with national defense. The National Infrastructure Protection Center certainly seems to support this point.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
The engineers who design our weapons systems are not the same people who design our civillian aircraft and automobiles.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Proper facilities can always be built relatively quickly, unskilled labor is always in sufficient supply and requires little training. Remember "Rosie the Rivetter" during WW2?
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
That being said, the weapon systems we use today mean that the scale of output we required during WW2 will not be needed to fight future conflicts.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Speaking of which, I've met IBM regional technology manager from Istanbul, we had a delightful dinner in one of many beautiful Italian restaurants in Milano, where while drinking a bottle of local, very strong I should say, specialty drink, he offered me a job.... Maybe it's time to bring up all dusty contacts...![]()
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Moot. It's still a few top level engineers and more unskilled labor.
Au contraire, I think they do hold. The ratio of skilled or unskilled has nothing to do with it. The automotive industry is considered critical to national defense (they make things like tanks when we go to war). It doesn't matter that automotive products are designed by a few "skilled" workers, i.e. automotive engineers, and produced by many "unskilled" ones, i.e. assembly line workers. If it leaves our country and we go to war, we could be in trouble.
I disagree on the first point, but quick is a relative term,
However, how many software engineers entered the market in the last few years having taken anything from 9 weeks to 9 month crash courses? These people built many of our ecommerce websites. Consider consulting firms, the regularly take art history majors and teach them how to do IT work. (I've actualy personally met art history majors who do IT work.) They certainly bring them up to speed in a very breif time.
In this sense, I subscribes to Fred Brook's surgeon modole of software engineering and think it can be applied in "wartime situations."
I also think that during a wartime, we're not going to be looking at much software innovation. The DOE for example, will just need to keep it's systems running. That usually more of a hardware problem then a software problem. Innovations tend to be in weapons systems, and that will require software, but I think the amount needed will be relatively limited.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Basically, just trying to point out that our ability to produce tanks does not rely on our ability to produce automobiles. So if all the automobile engineers were sacked tomorrow and sent packing to Japan, it would have little effect on our ability to produce tanks since those are a different set of engineers.
Taken from GM's web site
1942. GM converts 100% of its production to the war effort. During World War II, GM delivers more than $12,300,000,000 worth of war material to lead the Allied war effort, including airplane engines, airplanes and parts, trucks, tanks, marine diesels, guns, shells and miscellaneous products.
Among those products manufactured for the war effort were the 6X6 army truck (a two-and-a-half ton vehicle that carried both troops and supplies) and the DUKW (nicknamed "the duck"), designed to carry up to 50 men on either land or water.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I don't disagree with you a bit. These weren't the "software professionals" that I was really talking about though. I think it is a fair assumption that they can somewhat easily be replaced, however the type of work that they did (such as ecommerce sites) is not the type of work that we are really talking about here.
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