This week's book giveaway is in the OO, Patterns, UML and Refactoring forum.
We're giving away four copies of Five Lines of Code and have Christian Clausen on-line!
See this thread for details.
Win a copy of Five Lines of Code this week in the OO, Patterns, UML and Refactoring forum!
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
programming forums Java Mobile Certification Databases Caching Books Engineering Micro Controllers OS Languages Paradigms IDEs Build Tools Frameworks Application Servers Open Source This Site Careers Other all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
Marshals:
  • Campbell Ritchie
  • Bear Bibeault
  • Ron McLeod
  • Jeanne Boyarsky
  • Paul Clapham
Sheriffs:
  • Tim Cooke
  • Liutauras Vilda
  • Junilu Lacar
Saloon Keepers:
  • Tim Moores
  • Stephan van Hulst
  • Tim Holloway
  • fred rosenberger
  • salvin francis
Bartenders:
  • Piet Souris
  • Frits Walraven
  • Carey Brown

Any future in IT?

 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 1324
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Actually they have several job ads like Senior&junior Java developer, Oracle DBA, System analysts and admins
but they have the same description for both the senior and junior Java developer position, I guess for senior they want ppl with lots of experience and a high degree and lots of certs and junior just a high degree(MSc compsci or relevant ones) and lots of certs but only little or no exp.
 
Billy Tsai
Ranch Hand
Posts: 1324
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Dear Billy
Thank you for registering your interest in the Fonterra Java Development position.
Our client has been very specific about the knowledge and skills needed for this role. Although you have valuable experience, we have received other applications that more closely match our client's specific criteria, so unfortunately we will not be able to take your application for this position any further.
Please continue to check our web site, and contact us again if you see other roles of interest to you.
Kind regards
Erina Jamieson

Maybe I would feel better if I at least got an interview but I didnt even get 1 ,anyway this company is the biggest coporate company in NZ
 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 97
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I think the reason they advertise for a junior position is that they're simply trying to get maximum value for money. Given the state of the market, they probably get loads of applications from very, very highly qualified applicants. So for the senior position they'll probably end up hiring some superman with 10+ years of experience, and for the 'junior position' they'll also hire a superman, but one with maybe a little less experience. That's why the job descriptions are the same for the senior and the junior positions - the word 'junior' just means less pay, and realistically doesn't have much to do with skill level, since skills are so plentiful. Time to find another career. I'm tired of being treated like a bushel of wheet or a bag of coffee...
 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 79
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This is for Billy Tsai,
You might hate me for this. But I wish you would take a second to think deeply about what I'm about to say here and you would find out that it's the painful thruth. Here it is: No matter how qualified you are, the world does not owe you a living. The world pays you for doing something useful. The world pays you for satisfying a need in society.
The world could be very cruel to you if you don't follow natural laws. In the stone ages, if you don't work within natural laws, you wouldn't even survive. Fast forward to today. The basic rules of nature still apply. You don't swim in a shark infested river because you know the anatomy and feeding paterns of sharks. You run for it. Just like you wouldn't wait for a forest fire because you know all the chemical reactions taking place inside that fire. You have to play by the rules of nature. I am currently satisfying a need where I live with all I know. The same may not apply to you where you live. You have to take a look at your immediate environment and adapt. Through all ages, humans (and animals too) who failed to adapt to their immediate sorroundings didn't survive.
Billy, I think you are smart enough to turn the tables in your favor. If you want to. My only fear is that you may not see the sense in all this. Quoting Matt Cao in an earlier post on this topic

Billy is too proud. Alfred, HS, and myself have trailing his comments since we.....

Billy, the world cannot be wrong about you. It's you who needs to change.
The good thing is, if you don't find this useful. Someone else would.
Thanks.
PS: Thanks for the reply to my other post (What kind of college Computer Science education makes one have better chances at secu...), Billy. I never really that. It's different here.
 
Consider Paul's rocket mass heater.
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic