Originally posted by Tony Collins:
Well maybe I overreacted. Sorry. But my pet hate are employers that say they can't find the people when they put nothing into training and development. It will end in tears, there are lots of very bright people out there not working. As I said earlier just look at the problems we have in England finding tradesmen, all due to the destruction of training in the eighties.
Tony
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Originally posted by Alfred Neumann:
Is it really hard to find people who understand gc and hash tables? Any scjp 1.4 should know these issues, cold. Save yourself time, just interview people who are certified.
MCAO, I'm a SCJP 1.4 and I don't know gc and hash tables cold. Not right this moment. Oh, it's only a short review to read over the collections and garbage collection sections of the proper book, but right now I'm up to my ass in Ant and extracting Cactus thorns from my butt! Not to mention ejb.
If I go talk to Mark before doing that review I'm going to look like an idiot and he's going to put me on his idiots list. Why should I bother?
In my view it says more about Mark that it does about the ones who don't cut the mustard......
BTW, you are perfectly correct about the ease of finding people with *enough* hashtable and gc knowledge. It's not hard stuff, but many of us don't have it memorized. Mark wants it memorized, perhaps because that's his own personal style....
Originally posted by Svetlana Koshkina:
You know people,
I ran into job announcement at U of Chicago that said:
blah-blah (no problem) required
Java, Perl, C/C++ knowlege *preferred*;
MySQL, JDBC, Tomcat *preferred*...
blah-blah (no problem)
....
I applied because I know Java and have everything: MySQL, Tomcat and much more at home. Have it or it has me? on daily basis. I know basics of C and Perl programming. Lately I gave to C much more thought.
I applied naturally. I was given 'technical' interview. It was laughable and did not do anything with daily programming and above all bioinformatics (how to print word in Perl or in Java - no kidding).
The guy who did the interview said that "strong ability" in C is essential. It'd thrown me off track right away. What the heck? Look at your job announcement - right?
Afterwards, i gave phone call to the 'would-to-be-boss' (she has no idea about programming' and asked her to give me some trial assignment, so while she was looking i could at least test my skills and my ability and do some useful stuff. She was rude, did not acknowlege that she gave wrong and misleading announcement (i did not asked her about that - i was polite and very tactful), she said that all most talented and gifted programmers from coast to coast are just lined up for her and i can shove it big deal and i eat up her precious time just by calling and bothering her.
I was so insulted, guys, i was near to puking after that 'chat'.
Just experience.
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi Alfred,
I think you confused me with Rufus.. BTW you can called me Matt. I respect your wisdoms.
Regards,
MCao
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Originally posted by Alfred Neumann:
I respect your opinions as well. Both of you, and Mark H's as well. It's just that I've had an unpleasant experience or two with people with views like his who fought religious wars while the rest of the team was trying to get quality product out the door.
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
*Arguably, going back to my hiring triangle theory, this could be the right way if you are getting lots of qualified people and need some way to cut some quickly, and this particular cut across your sample space has net positive impact on your overall result.
Originally posted by Tony Collins:
I think there are just no jobs. I applied for a telecoms job, I'd developed the same product at a different company, didn't even get an interview.
And i'm begining to think that the industry is dead in the west. If you look at the posts on this board Indian companies are recruiting heavily, why not Americian or British.
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Originally posted by Rei Damle:
It is true that IT companies never invested in training and development of people and keeping them uptodate. One reason why companies were reluctant was that employees may use that training and go for greener pastures. I think there was no trust built up between employees and comapines. Both sides are to blame for this.
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Originally posted by HS Thomas:
As you go through your hiring process , do you work out who is the weakest link of the ones you hired ? It must change as you the list changes! A hiring triangle may become rhomboid or is triangle the perfect shape to aim for when hiring. Sorry I have just never heard of this.
I worked for a manager who believed the perfect change program was finally ready to cut loose when it achieved a rhomboid shape. Time and time again it seemed that the dust begamn to settle when the program on paper took on a rhomboid shape.
Originally posted by Tony Collins:
It is also very difficult to switch sectors, so an unemployed software engineer can retrain into web technologies, but then not get a Java role because they have no experience in that sector. Meanwhile companies, like Symbian, won't interview you if you've been unemployed for over a month.
So your totally screwed, either way.
Tony
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Originally posted by Rufus BugleWeed:
Cheap Indians undercut the going market rate. They work long hours even at the low rate. They work in smaller cubicles comparable employees without complaint
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
SCJP1.4, SCWCD
Mark Fletcher - http://www.markfletcher.org/blog
I had some Java certs, but they're too old now...
Mark Fletcher - http://www.markfletcher.org/blog
I had some Java certs, but they're too old now...
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