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Originally posted by herb slocomb:


CBS embraced the fake Bush National Guard memos without exhibiting the normal professional standards of journalism. ABC had an internal memo last week that was leaked where they had a policy to hold Kerry to a lower standard of scruntiny (drudgereport.com had reported this). A local radio host reported that coverage of Bush vs Kerry by ABC showed that ABC commented negatively on Bush about 80% of the time vs about 17% on Kerry.



Most media, if not all, exhibit various levels of bias. Some more than others.
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Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
At the moment, the "backdoor draft" is sufficient.



There is no "backdoor draft". This is some BS scare tactic used to distort facts (not pointing fingers at you Tim). The "stop-loss" is what those who don't know better have been referring to when they talk about a "backdoor draft" (a meaningless but agenda-serving term drawn up by some partisan somewhere, no doubt). A "stop-loss" is a short-term freeze on departures for certain groups of people in certain military specialties. This can mean both departures from the service as well as transfers from one base to another. Typically they last a few months or up to a year for those affected. "Stop-loss" programs have always been used by the military in times of need. I served from 1988-2002 and witnessed stop losses during both the first Gulf War and Yugoslavia. I also know people who were stop-lossed during Afghanistan. It's common practice and has been giong on for decades in times of crisis, but only now are people trying to twist it to their own political advantage.

The other thing you here is people whining about calling up the inactive reserves. Everyone who joins the military is subject to a total commitment of eight years. Any amount of that eight years not served on active duty or as part of the active reserves is served in the inactive reserve. Once you've finished your eight years, you no longer have any commitment. This is common knowledge amongst all who join and is no big secret. Again, this is only something being used to scare the gullible and unknowing in order to influence them with a particular agenda. There is talk about calling up some inactives in certain military specialties. Oh well. That's part of what they signed up for and they knew it. For my part, I more than met my eight year commitment so I'm not part of the inactive reserve, but I sure as hell knew about it when I was in and knew what i was getting into when I signed on the dotted line.

As for a real draft... It will never happen, and is only being floated by Charlie Wrangle (Democrat wh sponsored a bill to reinstate the draft), and Kerry and friends for political advantage. Typical scare tactic used to plant fear and uncertainty in the mind of the uninformed. The military doesn't want draftees. Our military is the best in the world in large part because they are an all volunteer force. A group of motivated soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who want to be doing the job they're doing, and have no desire to see the ranks diluted by draftees, nor to serve with those who don't want to be there.

Sorry for the rant... Just wanted to set the record straight.
 
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Jason Menard:

The military doesn't want draftees. Our military is the best in the world in large part because they are an all volunteer force. A group of motivated soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who want to be doing the job they're doing, and have no desire to see the ranks diluted by draftees, nor to serve with those who don't want to be there.

Of course, Congress has been known to force things on the military that the military didn't want.

The only way I could see a draft happening again would be if Congress (1) passed a draft against the wishes of the military, just so they could tell the voters they were "doing something" about terrorism or whatever, then (2) cut military pay without regard to the effect on military personnel, counting on the draft to make up the necessary manpower (and ignoring the fact that you can't draft motivation and quality). Hopefully neither of those will happen.
 
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:
Jason Menard:

The military doesn't want draftees. Our military is the best in the world in large part because they are an all volunteer force. A group of motivated soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who want to be doing the job they're doing, and have no desire to see the ranks diluted by draftees, nor to serve with those who don't want to be there.

Of course, Congress has been known to force things on the military that the military didn't want.

The only way I could see a draft happening again would be if Congress (1) passed a draft against the wishes of the military, just so they could tell the voters they were "doing something" about terrorism or whatever, then (2) cut military pay without regard to the effect on military personnel, counting on the draft to make up the necessary manpower (and ignoring the fact that you can't draft motivation and quality). Hopefully neither of those will happen.




Actually I've heard that the WhiteHouse has found a way around the need for a draft, they're outsourcing the security problem. They currently have 18,000 "private contractors" in Iraq. Some of these are truck drivers and cable monkeys, but most of them are security guards. There were some running their own prison in Afghanistan, and some of the interrogators at Abu Ghraib were contractors. A nice privatized army, in the old days these were called mercenaries.

As far as drafted armies go, they are usually useless. Those driven by profit are usually much more effective, I've heard that they can earn over $1000 a day, that's a lot more than a real soldier gets.
 
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