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Only about 30% of students return to their home countries after completing their education abroad.
Those 30% are the 30% with the best papers usually, they often have offers from companies in their home countries before graduating.

The rest, including failed students, stay in their host countries and take up jobs there (or fall into social security, becoming a drain on a system they never contributed to).

There's currently a big debate here as to how to reduce the percentage of foreign graduate students and research assistants in our universities.
The best of them leaving while their existence means no places in that system for locals to take up means a massive braindrain is starting to form and locals are getting deprived of education they want and are qualified for but can't get due to lack of open positions (foreign students are cheaper in those positions as they don't need to pay things like social security premiums).
 
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Jeroen Wenting

Take the building industry (not IT but the signs are there). Busloads of Poles and Slovaks are shipped in every monday morning. They're put in cheap hostels for the week and bussed back home on friday.
Even with those extra costs they're still a lot cheaper than local people (and when the project is complete there's no expensive paperwork and procedures to get rid of them, you just let the contract run out).



I again repeat the same thing-

If busloads of Poles and Slovaks are shipped into your country for doing work at cheap rates then a question comes into my mind -
Who is shipping them into your country? How they are allowed to enter your country? Who is going to benefit from their cheap work?

The answer appears to me is -
Your own fellow natives.


Jeroen Wenting

As long as people try to get jobs in other countries where the job situation for natives is uncertain (or downright bad) there will be resentment.

How would you feel if a million Ethiopians (for example) were to descend on India and offering to work in programming for a rupee per week?



The resentment against intruders is genuine, so long you don't exaggerate it.

Jeroen Wenting
Never denied that. But why make the situation worse by paying half of India unemployment benefits in addition to half the UK?



I just wonder if its really half of India, working in Netherland and U.K. either combined or separately.

I would also feel frustrated if outsiders steal the jobs of my natives, but before I vent out my frustration on those outsiders, I would think- how much of my frustration they actually deserve, and what is the root cause of this whole frustration. It would be unwise on my part if I just ignore my own natives who are also equally responsible for the whole problem's origin.

Kashif Riaz

Thats because the majority of people do just that. Just think, why would you come to another country "just" to study? Chances are that you will want to find a job in the same country and settle down with a family once you have finished your studies. I think only a few would return without, at the very least, attempt to find work abroad. It would be a waste of money on their part otherwise.



Its not majority but minority who settle down with their families.(atleast among Students that is the case). As a student I am allowed to work in Germany for only 3 months in a year and there is no question of getting any unemployement benefits. I did searched for work badly and worked during that period to pay back my tution fees loan and also payed taxes( ofcourse the overall deductions was considerably low in comparison to the natives).

Regarding your fear about foreign students settling down after getting work in Europe- it seems to me just a fear with not much depth in it. The employers don't want to apply for work permit for non-europeans and its not because they think something like -low standard in non-europeans but because of unemployment in Europe, they have to comply with the strict rules (to conserve those jobs for Europeans)relating to work permit for non-EUs.
 
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