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Please share ur experiences....
That would be a great help...
 
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use the link below to get around 10 books.

Happy reading.

http://www.hot.ee/grappa/it/ebooks.htm

the link has the following books.=>

* 9 Investing Secrets of Warren Buffett
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Originally posted by Suresh Mahesh:
[QB]use the link below to get around 10 books.



And don't forget "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, probably the best advice for those who want to get ahead at all costs.
 
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obtain u should work as a contractor and obtain some service contracts for urself I believe the money is more
 
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Suresh,
I am really impressed by you.
Where are you from?
Bye.
 
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I am from Chennai..
 
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Where else you find the people who dream during day?
 
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Atlease people there dream big...
 
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Dont go for Shopper's stop.It is not worth the investment..
EPS is Rs 4.48..It will be offered around a price of 210-240..P/E ratio is more than 50..Dont go for it..
 
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looks like I am on moneycontrol.com
 
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Originally posted by Sachin Mehra:
looks like I am on moneycontrol.com



What is your id there? I did not see you there?
 
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Originally posted by Dipak Mahbubani:
Where else you find the people who dream during day?



 
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Economist and the Fisherman

The above link is a short story I read whenever money numbers become integrated into my "dreams".
 
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Originally posted by Anand Prabhu:
It will be extremely tough for you to save Rs 1.5 lakhs per month here. That amounts to a savings of $3,500 per month.



This is very possible in the US or in the UK, especially if you can get 2-3 years solid experience and get a position at an Investment Bank (which London is very popular for). In some cases, 1-2 years experience (as a graduate) can get you $90,000/year if you get in contact with the right consultants.
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Originally posted by Kashif Riaz:

This is very possible in the US or in the UK, especially if you can get 2-3 years solid experience and get a position at an Investment Bank (which London is very popular for). In some cases, 1-2 years experience (as a graduate) can get you $90,000/year if you get in contact with the right consultants.

[ May 02, 2005: Message edited by: Kashif Riaz ]



Unless you've actually done it, you're dreaming. I have earned more than $90K US for years and know that after taxes, housing, cars and other expenses there is nowhere near $3500 left. If you lived like a hermit, in a hovel, or with your parents or a bunch of college friends, you might stand a chance. But don't plan to drink, party, date, take holidays, visit your homeland, eat in restaurants, or buy nice clothes.
 
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Originally posted by peter wooster:

If you lived like a hermit, in a hovel, or with your parents or a bunch of college friends, you might stand a chance. But don't plan to drink, party, date, take holidays, visit your homeland, eat in restaurants, or buy nice clothes.


Vast majority of Indian immigrants are like hermit.Drinking,partying,eating in restaurants is not their business.
 
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Hi Dude

I should not scold you for anything. I have to scold our president who asked all of us to dream. There is a limit for dreams also. First of all be clear that by working in a company like TCS it will take atleast 10-15 years for you to see 1 Crore.

I am in TCS for the past 10 months, so I know what is happening here. You will get ONSITE chances surely. But for that you need to wait atleast for 1.5 years here. So you will be 23 when u pack things for ONSITE.

The money that you are getting there will be spent there itself. At the maximum u can save 10% of the money that u are getting in ONSITE say 250$ per month. Within 7 years at the max, u can be in ONSITE for 5 years. So 60 * 250 = 15000$. 15000 * 43 = 6,45,000.

The salary that u r getting here will be credited here even u r in ONSITE. SO as an average for 5 years we can take 22.5K. 22.5K * 60 = 13,50,000. Totally around 20Lacks u can save. Keep Dreaming how to make this 20 to 40million.
 
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Hi Narayanan! But one of neighbours was in UK for 2.5 years..he was sent by TCS..on returning from UK he bought 3 flats in Chennai..Howz that possible??.He said he spent only 500 pounds a month in UK..He said he was able to save more than 1 lakh..

what do u say..
 
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What about cts onsite..do they pay well compared to tcs(during onsite).
 
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Ranchers! where will u prefer to work..A services company like TCS,cts,wipro which sends u onsite or an MNC like SAP,EMC etc..which will give u stable good salary but no onsites..??
 
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Originally posted by Kashif Riaz:


This is very possible in the US or in the UK, especially if you can get 2-3 years solid experience and get a position at an Investment Bank (which London is very popular for). In some cases, 1-2 years experience (as a graduate) can get you $90,000/year if you get in contact with the right consultants.

[ May 02, 2005: Message edited by: Kashif Riaz ]



You said it right. The right consultants and a niche area along with a solid experience are good factors. But I was referring to most of the onsite personnel from the major Indian Consulting firms that I have met. They work more as liasions to the offshore development team. And most of the people I met got nowhere near $90K. And they had anywhere from 3-10 years experience. If personnel with 2 years experience got $90K on their onsite trips, then it would not be cost effective for the Indian majors. In the current climate here, they could easily get a good citizen/resident candidate for much less.
 
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I have been working in investment bank in London for more than 2 1/2 yrs. I have not seen any body getting 90K pounds with 2 to 3 yrs exp. I have seen people getting 65-70K with 5 to 6 yrs exp in financial domain.
 
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Originally posted by Sridhar Garimella:
I have been working in investment bank in London for more than 2 1/2 yrs. I have not seen any body getting 90K pounds with 2 to 3 yrs exp. I have seen people getting 65-70K with 5 to 6 yrs exp in financial domain.



Read my post again, I said 90 thousand dollar$, not pounds. This is from a tier-1 IB.

P.S. Do you know the main qualities the banks in London look for in Java Developers? I heard they are fond of Design Patterns. Is finance knowledge a must for newcomers?

Thanks.
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Kashif,

I misread your post. Sorry abt that.

Investment banks(atleast where I am working) looking for below qualities

-- Able to work under pressure
-- Learn business knowledge as quickly as possible

I have seen banks recruiting people even though they dont have prior exp in financial domain.
 
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Originally posted by Sridhar Garimella:
Kashif,

I misread your post. Sorry abt that.

Investment banks(atleast where I am working) looking for below qualities

-- Able to work under pressure
-- Learn business knowledge as quickly as possible

I have seen banks recruiting people even though they dont have prior exp in financial domain.



Thanks Sridhar. But what about technical expertise? Are they addicted to open-source software such as Eclipse (for development), ANT (for building), CVS (source control) and various web/MVC frameworks such a struts? Do they look for a portfolio of Java work?
 
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That may be possible if u go to U.K where u can save a lot...but b4 that tell me what is his qualification and experience when he went to Onsite...that also matters here...if u join as a fresher ur salary will be very less even in ONSITE than what u r dreaming...so think twice b4 setting goals...there is nothing wrong in thinking BIG...but i am telling that by just working in a company and going to ONSITE this is not possible.
 
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Kashif,

I have been working on C++( I worked on java 3yrs back ). So, I dont have much info abt java related technoligies used in IBs. When I look around people( the place where I'm working ) use mostly Weblogic, JBuilder, CVS( or Clearcase), Ant, Tomcat etc.

If you want I will throw some light into this and update the same.
 
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A saving of 1.5 Lakhs in one month in Onsite, that is quite over exagerated.
 
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Hi Narayanan the person I mentioned did his MBA from just an ordinary college..
 
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That matters dude...Your qualification must be a UG since u r telling that u r 21. So his pay will be much higher than urs (bcoz he is PG)...that also makes a difference...could u understand!!!Joining TCS as a consultant (MBA) is very much different from joining as a techie....
 
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Narayanan! I am an M.Tech from IIIT-Bangalore.What is the Pay package for M.Tech grads in TCS??any idea...What about the onsite opportunities,growth prospectus..will be it similar to Mba grads or similar to BE grads..?
 
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Your pay will be much higher(atleast 2000 difference in basic salary since u r from IIT) than what a UG guy is getting...but ONSITE chances and all same for everyone...if u already have experience in someother orgn then u can go within 1 year...otherwise u have to wait for a minimum of 1-1.5 years...
 
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and your Grade will be equal to BE grade(that is designation wise)...bcoz MBA guys will be put into consulting...and u will be put in technical side only...
 
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There are people around here posting messages about how much you can earn in a tier 1 IB etc....

I am currently in London in an investment bank.While the numbers may look good but remember that taxes are quite high in the UK.

Also the cost of living is very high and quality of living much lower than the US.....a cheap,run down one bed apartment in east london would cost you �600.If you want to maintain a decent quality of life(depends on how you define it) forget about saving �2000 a month. Overall the quality of life here is quite low compared to India...if you make good money in India...

Guys from TCS etc. generally share apartments,plus the projects are always going offshore as thats the main idea,so you will never have any peace of mind.

But let me tell you that the savings here will never allow you to fulfill this "dream".
 
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Originally posted by ab parashar:
Overall the quality of life here is quite low compared to India...



Indian Facts:

-Sharp rise in people infected with AIDS (5.1m - 2003, Top 6 in the world for infected children)
-High risk of catching disease
-Hugely overpopulated (>1 billion growing at 1.4% a year, estimated to reach 1.9 billion in 2015)
-Very hot climate
-Quarter of Indians living below poverty line (2002)
-Low life expectancy (63 yrs), death rate is just under 9 per 1000 people
-Huge disparity in access to health services between rich and poor
-Just under half the country are illiterate (~500 million people!)
-Rating of 7.2 out of 10 for government corruption.
-High air pollution from Industrial effluents causing respiratory problems.
 
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Originally posted by Kashif Riaz:


Indian Facts:



but I think, much better than what happened in US on 9/11 2001.


-Vinit
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Originally posted by Vinit Patil:

but I think, much better than what happened in US on 9/11 2001.



-Vinit



Please explain that comparison, 9/11 is a single event, terrorism is rampant in many parts of the world including parts of India ,or Pakistan, depending on which side you believe owns Kashmir. Most of the negative aspects described in the post you are answering are regular everyday things that are not common in North America.
 
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This is not something to be said with a smiley. How would you like it if somebody spoke abt the serial bomb blasts in Bombay using your attitude?

Originally posted by Vinit Patil:


but I think, much better than what happened in US on 9/11 2001.



-Vinit

 
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:
This is not something to be said with a smiley.


I am really sorry for the smiley. I hate all those events happened in US or Bomaby or any other country. But the fact I have mentioned here is quite true. I was replying to Kashif Riaz post about Indian facts. His post only shows the negative aspects which all not quite true. The best comparison is always when we show the facts from both sides. Indian software professionals can easily afford the full rent for big flat or even row house and also afford one servernt. Is this possible in UK, US? I am not saying that the quality of life in India is better than other countries, but not as bad as what Kashif Riaz saying.

When we talk about facts about the country, why should we not include the probability of terrorism in country? I think, people in India(and many other countries) feel more secure than people in US after what happened.
One more thing I want to say here is facts and figures can prove anything. We can find as many fact as we can for each country.
 
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