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H1 B Opportunities?

 
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Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:

You can find atleast one thread in this ranch where an H1B is being offered 35-40k.



"an" H1B is being offered 35-40k. so if there is a thread which says "a" GC holder or US citizen was offered 200k, would you assume that all GCs and all US citizens would be paid the same.
 
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Originally posted by Sania Marsh:


I think anyone would agree that for any foreigner to succeed in IT in US, the preson has to be nearly genious with best communication skills or go through good training in US and still be very bright compared to average developers on US market.



I dont agree.
 
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Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:

They are working for a salary that a US citizen/graduate would never do!



Yeah..very true ... US citizens/graduates would rather starve to death
Just missed seeing such a thing when i was in the US :roll:
 
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Sania says
" Also, those companies are the ones that are least likely to apply for green cards. "

Amit says

"What? US companies dont file GCs? Not true again. I dont know what is the basis of your statement. GC is a very long process. You got to stick to a company for the time it takes to process the GC. If an employee keeps hopping here and there, then obviously his GC is going to keep getting delayed. A new PERM process is being worked out that might reduce the time taken for GC/LCA.Any good company will file a GC for you after H1-B. You MAY or MAY NOT have to bear the cost of it depending on the company.
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Sonia says

"Sania is correct"
 
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Guys, just listen to me and stop fighting. Your pay doesnt depend on whether you are H1B or GC or US citizen. There are many instances where an H1B cannot be employed because the employer cannot afford to offer the minimum H1 wage, and these jobs are grabbed by GCs or US citizens. Then there are some fraud bodyshoppers who manage to violate the minimum H1 wage constraint and grab contracts for their H1 contractors. These bodyshoppers are not biased towards H1 guys. If a GC or US citizen, who doesnt want to starve to death, walks by, they would oblige them too. For them the criteria is to grab contracts by quoting a low quote and then place just about anybody who is willing to work for that rate, irrespetive of H1 or GC or UC.
Now lets speak about who gets a job and who doesnt. Skillsets do matter, but it is quite possible to find many skilled people who are unemployed. And that has to do with the current economy. Given that the economy is dull, the thing that really matters is luck. If you are lucky, you have a job. I wouldnt advise people in India to go all the way to US just to try out their luck. yeah..yeah....I know you have to take risks to succeed, but there is risk and then there is calculated risk.
[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: soniya saxena ]
 
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:

Originally posted by Qutub Shahi:
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When was the last time you saw a post from me looking for H1 B or onsite oppurtunities? So please keep your assumptions to yourself
Well, I think you have just not understood the post. There was no such assumption made.


<< Top users of H1B include companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Intel,Adobe,EDS etc.>>
Yes exactly top 0.01%. What about the rest 99.9%? Are they getting 100k+ as well?

See, there you go again. You dont understand anything . The post says "top users" which means "top companies using the H1B program".[/QB]



Where do you see "top USERS" in my post? There was a reason that I omitted the word USER in my post but I guess it is complicated to understand for miss knows-everything.
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:


Yeah..very true ... US citizens/graduates would rather starve to death
Just missed seeing such a thing when i was in the US :roll:


Did you see any J2EE developer with M.S from a US university and quality 2-3 years experience (J2EE) working for 35-40k?
 
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Originally posted by Ramp:
All,

I have 2 years of experience in Java/J2ee in telecom domain and product development for CRM industry. I am working with a multi billion dollar company and did my BS from top indian college. All i wanted to know is that what is the probability of getting java/j2ee jobs for 2 years experienced professionals? And how can i get there? any consultants who provide H1B?



Hi all this post getting deviated from original posting. Mr Ramp wants a job in US and he would like to inforation regarding that. Please help him if you have any information about that.
 
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Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
I am an Engineer, so I trust figures, but I am perfectly aware figures are not truth by themselves, figures are useful to decide something, so matter with figures is not what they are but what you do with them.



Which is why I gave you links to the primary USCIS sources, which contain a multitude of spreadsheets that slice and dice the data six times until Sunday. If you believe that there is a flaw in my interpretations of the data, then you have access to the same data and you can point out where I have erred.

Your figures show that until recently (some years shift between statistics and current situation) Indian IT professionals are not that numerous, rather 1/4 than 4/4 as people believe it today.



Not my figures. These are the figured of the US customs and immigration services. I would humbly suggest that these are the most accurate and authoritative figures we are likely to see.

So in all I don't know what sponsorship was in the past an I don't care. All I care now is that if on every occasion all US people (except you) plus all US lawyers plus all companies I meet confirm sponsoring non-Indian aliens in IT has become practically impossible, I trust them, not your figures.



Here is the fundamental flaw in your reasoning.

I don't dispute for a moment that you have strong, convincing and numerous anecdotal (and personal) evidence that sponsorship has become dramatically more difficult since 2000. I don't dispute that for a moment. However, you've now been presented with a quantitative data point (actually, dozens of them) from a far more authoritative source than your anecdotal ones.

I would suggest that USCIS knows far more about the overall picture of immigration than a few attorneys and people posting on immigration boards, some of whom have a noted axe to grind against foreign workers of all races and nationalities. And when USCIS suggests that there are tens of thousands of aliens working on H-1Bs in non-computer-related fields, and that there are tens of thousands of H-1B holders from Europe, Australia, Canada and Japan. According to USCIS, there are just under 20,000 French nationals in the USA on H visas.

The only thing that is compelling about your anecdotal evidence is that it's been personally witnessed, and it matches what you already want to hear. That makes it really tempting, but unfortunately proper analysis forces us to discount qualitative anecdotal evidence, in favor of quantitative statistics from an authoritative source.

Again, the portrayal you and others have consistently made about H-1B and non-immigrant workers is not supported by the statistics. The only way this would not be true is if you have some insight that has completely escaped USCIS, or they are out and out falsifying the statistics. Neither seems plausible from over here, but I may be wrong. I am on a regular basis.

check article "Bye Bye U.S.A ? Foreigners are becoming disillusioned with the U.S., taking to Canada and Australia and other countries instead."



Canada is an interesting case, because their immigration system is broken in a different way. They have extensive self-sponsorship, but with no connection to actual employability. You have thousands of PhDs driving taxis and doing stuff levels below their qualifications simply because degrees, credentials and experience outside of Canada is highly discounted.

Cheers!

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Did you see any J2EE developer with M.S from a US university and quality 2-3 years experience (J2EE) working for 35-40k?



I've not seen an Indian developer on H1-B with MS from a decent univ and 3 years experience earning 35-40k either. All my friends with that kind of experience in USA are making between 70-80k...FYI. You want company names ? Bearing Point, Sapient, Web Methods, Fidelity, Deloitte. That should be enough for you, for now.

Stop distinguishing between H1-Bs and US Citizens for salary. Either they get hired directly and paid well or they go through consultants and don't get paid well (sometimes).

The only advantage US Citizens have is that they're welcome by defense contractors like LMCO,BAH,Northropp and so on. H1-Bs dont make it to these places because of security concerns. These companies pay EXTREMELY well.
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:


Lets just forgive K Riaz for his ignorance!



This is just rude.
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( H1B = Slavery )
Thats very polite ?

LOL
 
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Originally posted by KJ Reddy:


Hi all this post getting deviated from original posting. Mr Ramp wants a job in US and he would like to inforation regarding that. Please help him if you have any information about that.



Guess till Mr Ramp decides to change his name to follow Javaranch naming policies, this is the best he will get.
 
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:
( H1B = Slavery )
Thats very polite ?

LOL



That's an opinion, exaggerated, but just an opinion.
Everyone is free to have an opinion, and in reply "polite" people would give their opinion back or just ignore.

If we start insulting each other for every opinion we don't like, can we be called "polite"?
 
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I have 2 years of experience in Java/J2ee in telecom domain and product development for CRM industry. I am working with a multi billion dollar company and did my BS from top indian college. All i wanted to know is that what is the probability of getting java/j2ee jobs for 2 years experienced professionals? And how can i get there? any consultants who provide H1B?



There are some contradictions in this post. As far as I know Indian Universities do not offer BS course. They offer BE or BSc. Even in IIT's and
some big universities BSc if offered. Not BS.

Are you presently working in India? If so you are sure to get a job for 2 year's experience. Forget H1B so few visas and huge number of applicant's.
I can better predict the outcome of a russian roulette bout than to apply for a H1B and wait for it. Moreover you will be getting a pittance of a pay.
Work in India. Eat chapathi and Dal and live like a King
 
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Originally posted by Anand Prabhu:


Guess till Mr Ramp decides to change his name to follow Javaranch naming policies, this is the best he will get.



 
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hi ramesh,

FYI, BITS Pilani is offering BS course for students. Please check the link bits pilani.


Regards,
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:


I've not seen an Indian developer on H1-B with MS from a decent univ and 3 years experience earning 35-40k either. All my friends with that kind of experience in USA are making between 70-80k...FYI.

Stop distinguishing between H1-Bs and US Citizens for salary.
[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]



If your H1B friends (5-10?) are making good money, it does not mean there is no difference in salaries between US citizens and H1B's. It does not mean all H1B's are making 70-80k. I am not distinguishing "between H1-Bs and US Citizens for salary" but the recruiters are!
 
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Originally posted by Sania Marsh:

Originally posted by soniya saxena:


> Lets just forgive K Riaz for his ignorance!

This is just rude.

[ August 30, 2005: Message edited by: Sania Marsh ]


Lets just forgive soniya saxena for her arrogance!
 
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I am not distinguishing "between H1-Bs and US Citizens for salary" but the recruiters are!



Most MNC software companies in USA base their salaries on the position title and number of years of work experience and NOT the nationality of the candidate.

You are actually suggesting that MNCs in USA pay more to US citizens than other candidates for the same position ??? (At the most, the company might ask the candidate to pay for the H1-B processing costs.)

I've never heard of anything like that. Whats your source for this claim??
Maybe some senior ranchers based in USA for a long time will comment more on this. Interesting..


It does not mean all H1B's are making 70-80k.


I said MOST H1-Bs HAVING ~ 3 years quality experience FROM good universities ARE making that much. Why's it so hard for you to believe? Go to monster.com or vault.com, search for positions by top companies I mentioned earlier and you can see the salary range for > 3 years experience. BTW, do you know what the starting salaries are in CA for grads from good univs? (Keep the living cost aside).

I agree I dont have statistics to support what I say. Most of my statements are based on observations of people around me. Possibly they constitute a small percentage, possibly more. I cannot know !!



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I said MOST H1-Bs HAVING ~ 3 years quality experience FROM good universities ARE making that much.


No you said "All my friends with that kind of experience in USA are making between 70-80k...FYI...That should be enough for you, for now.", which is a very different statement.


Why's it so hard for you to believe? Go to monster.com or vault.com, search for positions by top companies I mentioned earlier and you can see the salary range for > 3 years experience.


And how many of these adds sponsor H1B's? No one said that these companies do not pay 70+ salaries to non-H1B's!
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:
Lets just forgive K Riaz for his ignorance!


One must be careful while posting on this forum.

Frankly i would say that H1B has some streaks of slavery, the difference being the purported slave being the willing party to submit.
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This is the second warning that some posts in this thread are inappropriate. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. If it continues, I will close the thread.

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All,

I can understand what is happening here. i guess out of 62 replies i did not get a bit of info about my query.
 
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Originally posted by Ramp:
All,

I can understand what is happening here. i guess out of 62 replies i did not get a bit of info about my query.



May be because you didnt changed your name even after Moderator requested you to change your name as per Java Ranch naming policy
 
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Ramp,market is bad there.Don't follow some road side bodyshopper and work there for 48K$.Instead gain the experience and if somebody calls you instead of you requesting them to go there,stay here and enjoy.Life is full of ups and downs.If you have the talent and SHOW to the world that you are talented than rest of people,nothing can stop you to go anywhere.
 
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Thanks sapiege, atleast someone gave some good advice. Otherwise people are just having fun around here.
sampiege how much experience is required for getting good job there?
 
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I think ranch hands should be happy now.
 
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Originally posted by Ramp:
Thanks sapiege, atleast someone gave some good advice. Otherwise people are just having fun around here.
sampiege how much experience is required for getting good job there?



Girish still you can get job in US but you will paid less. When you approach consultants you may need to bare all the expenditure for your H1B processing and which is not worthful. Indian job market is good so you will have more opportuniteis here itself.
 
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Originally posted by Girish:
I think ranch hands should be happy now.



I guess still you dont have valid name. As per Javaranch naming policy you should have first and last name Changing or not changing your name may not make any one happy or unhappy, its just following the policies
 
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"Girish",
thanks for trying, but you need to read the instructions closer.

We require your first name, a space, then your last name and fictitious names are not allowed.

Please try again.

Thanks,
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Hi Ramp !

Thanks sapiege, atleast someone gave some good advice. Otherwise people are just having fun around here. sampiege how much experience is required for getting good job there?

No one is having fun, as you must have understood by reading all these threads IT immigration to US is a very tricky and passionate matter, situation of candidates may vary from very good to very bad for the same skills according to the "agent" method used for emigrating, so your question "how much experience is required for getting good job there" is totally meaningless right now.

If you attend to try your luck anyway, despite considering present situation if you are an Indian remaining in India is by far the safest choice, I suggest you display your resume on local Monster.com India stating clearly you want an US position, if such opportunities exist you will quickly know.

Best regards.
 
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Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:

If you attend to try your luck anyway, despite considering present situation if you are an Indian remaining in India is by far the safest choice, I suggest you display your resume on local Monster.com India stating clearly you want an US position, if such opportunities exist you will quickly know.



Well said Eric. This is the best thing you can do Girish.
 
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Dave, i think this (Display name) should be okay.
Thanks Reddy, Eric and sampige for your kind help.
 
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It is. Thank you
 
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