EXPOSED !!

[Andy Ceponis]

I still dont get why anyone cares about this. I thought i was bored and spent my time on useless things at work, but this brings new meaning to it.

[Mapraputa Is]

Jim, sorry if I was too abrupt. I felt kind of offended for all Bartenders.

[Angela Poynton]

Andy it really isn't important ... nobody's done anything wrong, the initial investigation was purely for my own benefit.. but it seems to have caught people's imaginations .. a mystery, a challenge! I think it's

[Jim Yingst]

Map- actually I wasn't sure if you caught the trick initially or not (or were in on it already) - but figured that by publicly saying that you didn't know what had happened, I might goad you into revealing more of what you were up to. You were already trying to direct suspicion to the Sheriffs; it seemed natural to retaliate. Obviously by the "ANGELA IS JOHNSON CHONG" post you had figured out that "Chongson" hadn't edited Thomas previously, since you were then using the same trick yourself.
As for creating and deleting users, I was thinking of the possibility of taking over a user ID by deleting it and recreating it with a new password. A Sheriff could also empower another account as an administrator so that that account could edit others' posts, and then de-power the account afterwards so that other Sheriffs investigating the account would not see that it had once had administrative access. I was actually quite tempted to do this myself with the Chongson account, after it had already been used and abused enough, but I resisted the temptation.
Why would bartenders be offended at my post? You were the one trying to cast suspicions on Sheriffs when you knew better. The Bartenders' limitations I was talking about are in their powers assigned by UBB. No insult intended.
Andy- it's not a big deal, really. I don't mind an unsolved mystery, and have kept quiet about some things I know about all this because I think it's mostly harmless fun. I think a lot of the interest is in trying to find bugs, limitations, and loopholes in the software we're using, which is a worthwhile endeavor for any programmer I think. But nerves are starting to fray, which is a sign the whole thing has gone on long enough I think.
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[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
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What are you talking about? I don't understand your post at all! Is this some plot to deflect attention away from the sheriff's?

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[Angela Poynton]

ersin .. as yet there is no outcome!

[Mapraputa Is]

by publicly saying that you didn't know what had happened, I might goad you into revealing more of what you were up to.
Provocation? Never works for Map. Map says only what she wants to say.
You were already trying to direct suspicion to the Sheriffs
Actually it was Angela, who initially directed suspicion to the Sheriffs, then you tried to sway the Pointing Finger and direct it to innocent harmless Bartender family, which I found pretty offensive Kidding! Was Map offended? Not really. Was Map trying to start a Big Fight between Sheriffs and Bartenders? Yes. But then she decided to give up. There are more Bartenders then Sheriffs on the Ranch, so it would be easy victory for us.
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Editing UBB directly is a clever trick when first thought of
It doesn�t look as a clever trick for me at all. It looks pretty ugly, to tell the truth. I am not happy that this idea was uttered. In general, abusing our Bartender/Sheriff power is not much fun. What is fun, when you can make up a trick, anybody else could do, like Tom did </div> Here Map is agree with you.
<div style="display : none">Hey, what�s going on? Who wrote �Here Map is agree with you�? Who edited my message? I did not write �Map is agree with Jim�!
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[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Some very clever comments...

Ummm... hi Map!
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[Jim Yingst]

It's a mystery to me too. I guess our poor Map has finally snapped, seeing things that aren't there. Like this.

[Mapraputa Is]

Hallucinating? Our poor Map??? Ok. Thomas is unreacheble, but You, Jim, You watch out!

IP: Logged</ P><div style="display : none">OK, very nice job Map . I think the point is made - we can keep changing this back and forth, but I don't see any point. Shall we move on? - J
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[octavyn pittman]

I think the more effective investigative tool would be the careful observation of Chong's postings. One can draw conclusions about those associated with Chong and Chong's disciples by watching who associates with Chong, who advocates Chongism, etc. One should be careful of Chong and his likes, as that kind of thought will spread around the Jranch and cause corruption... --Senator McCarthy

No one has made the obvious jump that Chong could be Mr. Wheaton himself, a man known to foray into the 'guru' posting category in the past, and yet strangely absent from these meaningless/ful drivel-like postings for quite some time...
Yet the grammar of Chong is slightly imperfect, indicating someone who does not necessarily have the excellent control of language that a native English speaker would. Having tried to feign the peculiar style of Chong and failed (un-posted attempts of course), I know that the mis-use of language is more likely to come naturally...seeming to clear individuals such as Poynton, Carver, Thomas Paul, Mr. Wheaton and others.
If one traces the trail before Chongism came onto the scene, one finds only a limited number of individuals willing to engage in such play... I humbly suggest that the answer to who has the real Johnson covered up lie before this Johnson was ever exposed to the Jranch...
OP

[Joel Cochran]

As a former learned student in Philosophy I have applied my brain trust to this problem and have come to the following conclusions:
1) I am STILL not John(son) Chong(son).
2) I am not Thomas Paul OR Octavyn but I cannot prove or disprove whether they are each other or myself.
3) Greg Harris has a wonderful gift for rhyme (some of the time...)
4) Sahir wasn't really acquitted so much as the case was dismissed for lack of evidence. Therefore Double Jeopardy does not apply.
5) 'Jeopardy' beats the pants off 'The Weakest Link'.
6) I still think we all have the right to BE John(son) Chong(son) in spirit if not in form or function.
In closing: May I know the language screwed upwards?
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Joelson Chongran

[Greg Harris]

wow, thanks Joel!
actually, i think i am just really good at being a smartass!

[Mapraputa Is]

Yet the grammar of Chong is slightly imperfect, indicating someone who does not necessarily have the excellent control of language that a native English speaker would. Having tried to feign the peculiar style of Chong and failed (un-posted attempts of course), I know that the mis-use of language is more likely to come naturally...seeming to clear individuals such as Poynton, Carver, Thomas Paul, Mr. Wheaton and others.

I am not sure about Chong, his posts look like rubbish anyway, but Chongson�s posts seem show pretty good English. Here, for example:
�May I ask you: what is the original when originals no longer exist?�
Of course, I am the furthest thing in the world from being an expert in English...

[Rafome Rakahanga]

ersin , this is your quote:
Johnson Chongson
Sheriff posted May 23, 2001 10:21 AM
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It's a mystery to me too. I guess our poor Map has finally snapped, seeing things that aren't there. Like this.
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You want to say that Jim Yingst is Johnson Chongson?

[Rahul Rathore]

Originally posted by ersin eser:
why are you guys picking on each other ?

Ersin
You have been studying hard. It shows.
To update you about this perennial fight between good and evil. We know that the agents of devil have usurped power and are now systematically destroying all pockets of moral resistance. Hence the current persecution of poor Map. They had accidentally revealed their secret arsenal (editing UBB) with which they control us ordinary subjects. Map the lone voice of morality, condemned it. Soon after they edited their posts deleting all references to their deadly weapons. Now they are attempting to ruthlessly stamp out all signs of resistance. But Map our crusuader for justice, will fight on. We all are depending on her.
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[Rahul Rathore]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

Of course, I am the furthest thing in the world from being an expert in English...

Sounds Chongish to me ...

[Rahul Rathore]

Originally posted by Joseph Russell:
My only question is why did Rahul Rathore all of a sudden come on the scene? I don't remember Rahul hanging out in Drivel Town before now. Maybe I'm wrong and just missed some of his meaningless responses or posts. It seems wierd that he shows up in here and starts the whole discussion about Chong. Kinda odd of you ask me...

I was originally recruited by Johnson Chong, a beef-lover, to defend the beef-flavouring policy of McDonald. More details may be found here:- http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000426.html
Thereafter I got hooked and have since participated in 11 other drivelous topics. Today I have realized the great TRUTH: That the only meaning in LIFE is pure DRIVEL.

[Jim Yingst]

Thomas is unreacheble, but You, Jim, You watch out!

You could have reached Thomas with the same technique - just not on this page. (Yet.) I think you just like me better.

[Mapraputa Is]

Jim, I did reached Thomas with the other technique. See - I like him better

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
It doesn�t look as a clever trick for me at all. It looks pretty ugly, to tell the truth. I am not happy that this idea was uttered. In general, abusing our bartender/Sheriff power is not much fun.
What are you talking about Map? Who uttered such an idea? Are you hallucinating?
Tom, where did you read it? I do not remember saying anything like this...
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I'm a soldier in the HTML Wars...
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[Sahir Shibley]

Originally posted by octavyn pittman:
Yet the grammar of Chong is slightly imperfect, indicating someone who does not necessarily have the excellent control of language that a native English speaker would. Having tried to feign the peculiar style of Chong and failed (un-posted attempts of course), I know that the mis-use of language is more likely to come naturally...seeming to clear individuals such as Poynton, Carver, Thomas Paul, Mr. Wheaton and others.
If one traces the trail before Chongism came onto the scene, one finds only a limited number of individuals willing to engage in such play... I humbly suggest that the answer to who has the real Johnson covered up lie before this Johnson was ever exposed to the Jranch...

I presume your intention is to turn the finger of suspicion towards me, the only person on the list of suspects who is not a native English speaker. Dont waste your breath Pittman. I dont really give a damn if everyone thinks I am Johnson Chong or Johnson Chongson or Charlie Luciano.
The Chongs havent committed any crime yet. All this "who is Chong?" hullaboo started because they chose to remain anonymous. I noticed that your profile does not show any indication of who you really are Mr. "Octavyn Pittman". The Chongs havent been accused of posting abusive of offensive messages. Whereas you are now being accused of posting a message calling me a "base scoundrel" among other things, using the psudonym John Shakespeare. I dont understand you Pittmann. Do you always get this irresistable urge to post abusive messages ?



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[Rahul Rathore]

Originally posted by Sahir Shibley:
Whereas you are now being accused of posting a message calling me a "base scoundrel" among other things, using the psudonym John Shakespeare. I dont understand you Pittmann. Do you always get this irresistable urge to post abusive messages ?

Sorry to poke my nose Sahir, but you may be jumping to the wrong conclusion. It could even be ersin. Remember you took a crack at ersin in your forsooth post. Or it could be anybody for that matter. By losing your cool you are falling into the same old trap.

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[Thomas Paul]

I wish someone would call me a "base scoundrel". Sounds like what you would call a guy who keeps stealing second.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Tom, where did you read it? I do not remember saying anything like this...

And I don't recall reading anything like that either.

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[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by ersin eser:
why are you guys picking on each other ?

You only pick on the ones you love.

[Paul Ralph]

First off, I want to know why everyone is assuming that Johnson Chong and Johnson Chongson are the same person?
Even the name Johnson Chongson tends to say that that Chongson is a follower of Chong, not the same person.
Second, let us not forget that Chong has committed no crime, and the only thing Chongson was accused of was being married, and thus being guilty when he flirted with Angela (who admitted being single).
Third, My opinion is that Sahir is Chong, but not Chongson. If I am wrong, so be it, it's only an opinion. Before you flame me Sahir, please reread point two!!! I have no idea who Chongson is. The reason I believe Chong is Sahir is because Sahir has (had??) the best sense of humor here, as well as being the cleverest with postings of buttons that would pop up his photo and or that crazy samurai-like person. Note that Sahir only denied being Chongson, not Chong, not even in his rant against Pittman. If I am wrong, I am wrong.
Fourth, there is a conspiracy, at least to a certain amount, of withholding information about who Chong is. A partial quote by Jim Yingst:

Andy- it's not a big deal, really. I don't mind an unsolved mystery, and have kept quiet about some things I know about all this because I think it's mostly harmless fun.

I think that if y'all are trying to solve the mystery, then get serious. If not, admit such. Either way is fine.
Fifth and last, I am neither one. Whoever both of you are, I salute you. Especially Chong. And if this is the work of one person, I doubly salute you, because you had me fooled.
Paul

[Jim Yingst]

> First off, I want to know why everyone is assuming
> that Johnson Chong and Johnson Chongson are the same person?
> Even the name Johnson Chongson tends to say that that
> Chongson is a follower of Chong, not the same person.
Well, for historical perspective it's worth noting that Johnson Chong was originally John Chong. So it was quite plausible the Chongson was just another variation. But FYI not everyone is assuming that Chong and Chongson are the same person. At this point you shouldn't even assume that any two posts claiming to be from Chongson are even from the same person. But often we just say "Chong" or "Chongson" as shorthand for "the whole mess of posts coming from Chong, Chongson, or maybe Ima, or imposters thereof".
> I think that if y'all are trying to solve the mystery,
> then get serious. If not, admit such. Either way is fine.
It's not a simple either/or choice, and there's no "y'all" to make it - many of us have different interests here. Some people are just having fun confusing people, which is fine with me as long as it doesn't get out of hand. As an administrator my own main interest has been in understanding enough of what's going on to determine if it is getting out of hand. Some of the posts have exploited previously unused features or flaws in the software we use here in order to mislead others about who posted what. It's worthwhile for me to understand these tricks, to know how to detect them and how to fix them in case they are abused. And maybe even to use them myself on occasion in good-natured reprisals.
And for those who may be concerned - don't worry, Map and Thomas and I all get along fine. We just have a bit or a friendly rivalry going on.

[Sahir Shibley]

Originally posted by Paul Ralph:
Before you flame me Sahir, [b] please reread point two!!!

What makes you think that I would flame you? I had received a few e-mails asking me if I was Chong. It would have been very easy for me to take credit for a master stroke like that. But Sahir never takes credit for work he has not done.

This may come as a disappointment to you, but it seems Chong was created by the Master Creater ie. he is a real person. If ever I am proved wrong and Chong is the figment of someone's imagination I shall join you saluting that person.

My rant against Octavyn was for the following reasons.
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1. Calling me a "base scoundrel" and a few other names
2. I had just finished my annual review, and my boss thinks I
havent done anything spectacular this year, which naturally
puts me in a bad mood. I was looking for someone to take
it out on. If you ask me "why Octavian?" I can only
say "because he is there."
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My reasons for disowning Chongson are quite obvious. As soon as he appeared on the scene he made a clumsy attempt to pull Angela's leg. It flopped miserably when Angela saw through the trick and attempted to hunt down the perpetrator(s?). Though I think you grossly overrate my skills, Paul, I also have a little self respect, hence, I resent any attempts to link me with a mission that flopped.


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[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Sahir Shibley:
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2. I had just finished my annual review, and my boss thinks I
havent done anything spectacular this year, which naturally
puts me in a bad mood.
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Didn't you show him this thread?!

[Greg Harris]

that is the problem... Sahir's boss IS Johnson Chong!

[octavyn pittman]

[pat, pat, pat]
Ouch...

The [lady] doth protest too much, methinks. --Hamlet

My sincere apologies for ruffling your particular feathers Sahir.

One climbs a mountain because it is there, one does not flame Octavyn because he is there. I am merely a molehill, a gatherer of moles. One does not need to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Surely you agree this is not a serious matter, nothing but meaningless drivel.
I also do not think John Chong, sage that he is, is the same as Johnson Chongson or Chongson Johnson. And I still think I want to be Thomas Paul, although I no that I am not John Shakespeare....
I feel somehow empowered as a scoundrel now...
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[Mapraputa Is]

Andy- it's not a big deal, really. I don't mind an unsolved mystery, and have kept quiet about some things I know about all this because I think it's mostly harmless fun.
I wonder why nobody paid attention to Octavyn�s idea that Chong is Paul Wheaton? Read Jim�s post again and you will see that it is very likely...
You only pick on the ones you love.
Thank you, Tom! I wondered why everybody always pick on Map...
Map and Thomas and I all get along fine.
Except when they do not (Joke! )

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[Johnson Chongson]

May I know what the furthest thing in the world might be?

[Greg Harris]

easy, the thing you want most...

[Joseph Russell]

All this fuss and I'm still trying to figure out who exposed themselves??

[Joseph Russell]

May I know what the furthest thing in the world might be?

The center of a toostie pop

[Mapraputa Is]

I also do not think John Chong, sage that he is, is the same as Johnson Chongson or Chongson Johnson. And I still think I want to be Thomas Paul
Octavyn, the minimal explanatory effort = the most elegant solution is that they all are the same person

[Mapraputa Is]

who is Chong[son] = NOT (who is NOT Chong[son])
who is NOT Chong[son] = NOT (who is Chong[son])
Does it help?

[Johnson Chongson]

I struggle to fail an attempt to expose myself...