Book give away

[Mapraputa Is]

I hear the pay is better - though that doesn't necessarily mean much
Ah yeah... I knew you can be attracted by this � after all, you need extra money to buy delicatessen for your three pet snakes...

[Jim Yingst]

Ummm, there's only one. And it just needs one $7 rat per month - pretty low-maintenance. I was thinking about getting some bearded dragons though - I hear they can be trained as SCJPs. Of course it may be tough getting jobs for them in the current market - but maybe they could write for Wrox.

[Mapraputa Is]

You can probably have more luck with O'Reilly. I am not sure Wrox will go for it:

[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited August 05, 2001).]

[Thomas Paul]

Now that's a cover I wouldn't mind being on!

[Paul Ralph]

I wish I had the talent and the tools to edit those pics. I'd have one with all the Sheriffs and Bartendenders...the bottom would say Professional? JavaRanch.
Paul R

[Jane Griscti]

Luckily some of have the means
Map, see how you've distracted me from my SCJD assignment

[Angela Poynton]

I WANT TO BE ON A BOOK COVER
OK felt like being a baby!! Bad day! Better now

[Cindy Glass]

Me too

[Mapraputa Is]

Who edited my Wrox cover ?
Me and Moose were not there last time...

[Jane Griscti]

Map ... see what you get for distracting me

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
I WANT TO BE ON A BOOK COVER

Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Me too

Done!

Originally posted by Jane Griscti:
Map ... see what you get for distracting me

I retaliated
I also moved former #13 rather far off Jim and put her between Thomas and Ajith, where she can be relatevely safe - they both are married. Not that they are severely disinterested, but probabaly ineligible

[Jim Yingst]

Hey, you were the one who put my picture next to hers in the first place. Make up your mind. And when you comment on the relative safety of her new position between Thomas and Ajith, you overlook the fact that Tony is her other neighbor. (!)

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Hey, you were the one who put my picture next to hers in the first place. Make up your mind.

Well, when I put your picture next to hers I did not know you are so dangerous. But after reading your following comment...

And when you comment on the relative safety of her new position between Thomas and Ajith, you overlook the fact that Tony is her other neighbor. (!)
Nope. How could I overlook Tony? I did so because he does look severely disinterested.
Ahhhhh... (running away very quickly)

[Bryan Timmins]

New Riders has the coolest covers, especially "Essential MySQL" and "Essential XML".
It cracks me up that dude cares about the cover of a book!!

[Mapraputa Is]

Well, all good programmers possess such a developed aesthetic feeling that it can be easily hurt by lack of creativity in book designers or by putting on the cover portraits of authors whose appearance doesn't meet Hollywood's standards; therefore, it is extremely important to point publishers attention to this issue.

[Jim Yingst]

I agree that New Riders have cool covers (and good books, from the few I've examined carefully). However they don't seem to publish the titles you name, Bryan. Perhaps MySQL and Inside XML? I also like the original cover on the Python Essential Reference. And there's Inside XSLT. Anyway...

[Cindy Glass]

Hey that picture on the cover of "Inside XML" DOES kinda look like XML . At least the proposals that Map keeps putting out.
(Don't shoot me - Pleeeeeeeeese! ).

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Well, all good programmers possess such a developed aesthetic feeling that it can be easily hurt by lack of creativity in book designers or by putting on the cover portraits of authors whose appearance doesn't meet Hollywood's standards; therefore, it is extremely important to point publishers attention to this issue.

Now there's an idea... why doesn't WROX hire good looking models to stand in for the ugly white guys on the covers? Other than their mothers, who would know?

[Ajith Kallambella]

Who is #2?

[Cindy Glass]

She was #13 on the un-tampered with book cover.

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Ajith Kallambella:
Who is #2?

Ask Jim, he probably already has her phone number

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
why doesn't WROX hire good looking models to stand in for the ugly white guys on the covers?

Thomas, why don�t you write a book? Wrox could save a quite a sum on good looking models
No, really, it would be to have a book with you on the cover.

[Jim Yingst]

> Ask Jim, he probably already has her phone number
Well, now you've given me a challenge. After extensive research (translation: looking at the names in the original photo) I ascertained that her name is Judy Skubal. After even more extensive research (translation - stopping by DigitalGuru on the way home, locating a copy of the book, and flipping to the author bios) I ascertained that Judy has a husband named Alan and has 3 children. Shortly afterwards I lost interest for some reason and found a copy of "Effective Java" instead, so the trip was not a total waste.
With reference to the main topic of this thread, I should point out that Effective Java has a fairly boring cover, like most of the official Sun stuff, but is nonetheless a very good book.
[This message has been edited by Jim Yingst (edited July 31, 2001).]

[Mapraputa Is]

I am impressed. Jim, you are a real geek!
1. You cannot miss a challenge
2. You deal with it in a consistent logical way
3. A copy of "Effective Java" is sufficient satisfaction for canceled romance

[Mapraputa Is]

Jim, you are only one step from figuring out her phone number! (or from what looks like it Hint: it starts from 723...

[Thomas Paul]

Wow! There's only one Judy Skubal in the whole country.
According to four11.com, there are 16 Thomas Paul's in NY alone. And the best part is that none of them are me!

[Mapraputa Is]

Now it seems to me that moving Judy closer to Ajith and Thomas wasn't a very good idea either...

[Jim Yingst]

Thomas- I think we're all relieved to know that there aren't sixteen of you. Especially the other people of New York.
Map- I figured getting the actual phone number was pretty trivial at that point, with no particular reward. I mostly wanted to point out that her name was in fact printed on the cover, so I found it amusing that no one else had thought to look there.
[This message has been edited by Jim Yingst (edited August 01, 2001).]

[Thomas Paul]

Printed on the cover?!?!
Now that is a unique concept!

[chanoch wiggers]

I would just like to say that you have made us all very happy here at wrox with all the suggestions for the covers
btw, here is a comment we got sent in once that you might appreciate:
"The people on your covers are obviously not programmers. Why does wrox pay professional models to put their photos on the covers?"

[This message has been edited by chanoch wiggers (edited August 02, 2001).]

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by chanoch wiggers:
"The people on your covers are obviously not programmers. Why does wrox pay professional models to put their photos on the covers?"

Obviously taking my suggestion.
Wrox must be doing something right since people talk about their books!

[Jason Menard]

Originally posted by chanoch wiggers:
I would just like to say that you have made us all very happy here at wrox with all the suggestions for the covers
btw, here is a comment we got sent in once that you might appreciate:
"The people on your covers are obviously not programmers. Why does wrox pay professional models to put their photos on the covers?"

[This message has been edited by chanoch wiggers (edited August 02, 2001).]

That is awesome. ROFL! Thanks.
Jason

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Obviously taking my suggestion.

Yes! Yes! Look here!

[Thomas Paul]

Do you think that is a picture of Richard Deeson?

[Mapraputa Is]

Yeah, the idea was great, but realization is somewhat flawed. Here is my¹ version.

1. There was a plot against my cover, so I cannot guarentee that what you see is genuine Map's Wrox cover
[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited August 06, 2001).]

[Anonymous]

Yes, that is me on the cover, I'm more photogenic than I'd realized. Where're my spots and goofy teeth? My greasy hair and thick rimmed glasses? That's the miracle of digital photo editing I guess...

Mapraputa --> what happened to your version of the cover?? I want to see it!

[Manku Thimma]

Here's my version of Map's version of the cover

(Hope I won't get into trouble for this )

[This message has been edited by Manku Thimma (edited August 06, 2001).]

[David Weitzman]

Is it better to have a boring cover or an ugly one? I think Refactoring has a very boring cover.

[Thomas Paul]

I think SAMS wins the award for boring covers pulling away...

[Mapraputa Is]

I hate SAMS covers. Regarding what is inside: does anybody know good SAMS book?