Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I was not attacking your country, as I had stated. I was countering the claims of that one individual. I'm shocked anyone is sticking up for him.
Originally posted by Aman Chain:
Well Jason, you seem to be ok with the barbaric Mughals and imperialist Christians who forcibalicy converted locals.
You are also ok with the missionaries who are still fooling people.
You have no answer to the points that I made, and even though I said that I do not support the murderer of Graham stains, you are calling me fanatic. Cool.
I never said Poor==mindless. But poor == helpless. And that's what the missionaries taking advantage of. And yes, I strongly oppose that. Looks like you support that.
The case in US is totally different that in India. In US, nobody is fooling anybody to adopt his religion.
If you call me fanatic, what are you? Probably a saint who supports forcible conversions.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
You make the assumption that I agree with your blanket characterization of the missionarie. I do not. You are using fale logic to attribute my support to anything.
I'm sure you will not believe me in this regards, but it is a fact. It is the religious duty of some Christian clergy to perform missionary work. To do that, they have to go to where the poor are. The edict is not to go out and convert the poor, the edit is to provide aid to the poor.
I have no doubt that some of these missionaries convert some of the people they help. If you [b]truly believed in religious freedom, this would not be an issue.
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All my comments have been about Hinud [b]extremists, not Hindus. You said you do not agree with the fanatics, yet at the same time you justify their actions. Justifying the murder of a man, and his 8 year old and 10 year old sons puts you in the same category with the perpetrators. There can be no justifications for such things.
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One comment was about the Mughals and Christian Imperialists. I do not justify anybody's actions, but I have no interest in rehashing ancient history.
Your other comment about the poor people being not able to understand the issues involved. Well, if they are not educated, they [b]may not understand the issues and may have no basis to make a free choice. The solution, if you accept your characterization, is to educate them. Isn't that what the missionaries are doing? Or is the only valid education available from someone who shares your point of view? And if so, why is that education not available?
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I have now noticed a common formula that seems very accepted around here. It is perfectly acceptable for anybody around here to be the target of possibly unflattering posts, particularly the US and Christians, but don't anybody dare bring up anything even remotely negative about India or anything associated with it. Now that the ground rules are layed out you guys should be happy.
I mean, look how US is helping itself....look how they responded to WTC. I have to admire US's attitude. If you have the will power, the world will line up with you.
I respect American people for their hard work of centuries that turned the barren and hostile terrain into the best place on earth.
I'm an Indian and I'll start with my top dislikes:
1. Caste System.
2. We Indians only talk a lot in the sense that we indulge in a lot of "discussions" but actually do nothing to improve our state of affairs.
Originally posted by Aman Chain:
Now, may be you should get out of your "boxed" thinking and try to understand what I am saying.
This definitely is. They are converting them "before" they get educated.
When did I justify it??? I said I do not support them but I can't blame them either. They are the same people
whome the missionaries tried to convert. If missionaries can take advantage people's un-eviable position then so
can others. If you play with fire, it is very much possible you'll get burnt too. And if you get burnt, who is to blame?
Fire?
The examples that you've given about the murder of Graham Stains etc. is just a "long delayed" reaction of local
hindus. They never went to other countries to force Hinduism. In fact, there are other religions in India too. How
come nobody kills Buddhist or Jainist or Sikhs? They also practice and preach their religions. But unlike Islam and
Christ. they DID NOT and DO NOT force any body to do so. That is not their "belief". That is not "approved" by these
religions.
Even if you collect all such examples they are miniscules as compared to similar crimes done by Muslims and
Christians.
Do I support them? NO. But I cannot blame them either.
Dear Jason, by any parameters 100 to 200 years is NOT ancient.
Now, may be you should get out of your "boxed" thinking and try to understand what I am saying.
Originally posted by Aman Chain:
>Not holding somebody accountable, or not blaming them, is tantamount to approving their actions.
Jason, you are treading the wrong territory buddy. It is a well know fact, even US president knows it, that Pakistan actively supports terrorism in India. Now, think again about what you just said
Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:
Jason
Youre begining to enjoy yourself right ??? ..he he he he.
Originally posted by Aman Chain:
>Not holding somebody accountable, or not blaming them, is tantamount to approving their actions.
Jason, you are treading the wrong territory buddy. It is a well know fact, even US president knows it, that Pakistan actively supports terrorism in India. Now, think again about what you just said
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Originally posted by srinath prasad:
- even 12 years old kids have guns and they kill number of others , including their teachers.
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