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Originally posted by R K Singh:

What do you say about dog, cat, rat or any other animal which you dont eat for what so ever reason ..


Yeah but how many people will have a pet cow in sleeping in their kitchen?
 
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Originally posted by Joe King:

Yeah but how many people will have a pet cow in sleeping in their kitchen?


Is this is the reason you dont eat cat/dog etc .. ???
Come to Nagaland, there people eat them too..
And what about man ?? Why not to eat man ..??
 
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We covered why you don't eat man. The ability to transmit disease by eating your own species is too dangerous. There are many illnesses that might affect other species that don't affect us and vice versa.
As for eating dogs, culturally we think of them as pets in the US. However, I have no problem using them for food in other countries. We have plenty of other food sources, so we simply don't need to use them for food.
 
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Originally posted by Rob Aught:
We covered why you don't eat man. The ability to transmit disease by eating your own species is too dangerous. There are many illnesses that might affect other species that don't affect us and vice versa.


Is this the reason for you not to eat man ???
If I give you disease-free human body ready to cook and eat.. ?? Will you eat ??
[ February 11, 2004: Message edited by: R K Singh ]
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
Is this the reason for you not to eat man ??? If I give you disease-free human body ready to cook and eat.. ?? Will you eat ??


Soylent Green! Hmmm... tastes like chicken.
 
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Form all these posts I deduced, correct me if I am wrong, that there are people who knows that there are barbaric acts still wants to be called civilized.
Second, no body wants a thing to be imposed, let it be good or sensible.
So stop whining about cannibals
So stop saying others that one is better civilized.
So stop imposing democracy to the countries where its not needed.
Because whatever you do, you have 1000s reason to support it, albeit for others that still remain uncivilized manner (in this case food).
 
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What is "civilized" or "barbaric" is relative.
Instead I'd ask you not try to impose your beliefs on others just because you think your way is "right" and others are "wrong".
 
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RKS: Form all these posts I deduced, correct me if I am wrong, that there are people who knows that there are barbaric acts still wants to be called civilized.
ME: I suspect you did not deduce this so much as believe it to be true.
RKS: Second, no body wants a thing to be imposed, let it be good or sensible.
ME: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose, including imposing one will over another.
RKS: So stop whining about cannibals
ME: Who's whining? The only point made on cannibalism is that there are taboos against it. Some are cultural, but most are driven by instinct and bad experience. There are nonetheless cultures in the world who practice it.
RKS: So stop imposing democracy to the countries where its not needed.
ME: It sounds to me like you wish to impose one perspective over another in this very thread. It seems the only objection you have against this kind if imposition is that it's not coming from you.
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
Form all these posts I deduced, correct me if I am wrong, that there are people who knows that there are barbaric acts still wants to be called civilized.

Huh? There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Huh? There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food.


Right, for you. May be not for Vegitarians. And raising plants for food could be barbarian for Frutarians (yes, they do exist).
 
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Originally posted by Terimaki Tojay:
And raising plants for food could be barbarian for Frutarians (yes, they do exist).

That is just weird! Fruit evolved specifically to be eaten in order to distribuite the seeds. Plants like lettuce are annuals that are going to die with the first frost.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
That is just weird! Fruit evolved specifically to be eaten in order to distribuite the seeds. Plants like lettuce are annuals that are going to die with the first frost.


True, Frutarians eat fruits, the flesh that covers the seed, because the main reason plants have the flesh over seeds is so that animals can eat it and spread the seeds.
However, they don't eat the seeds (incuding grains), or the plants in total (such as lettuce).
Anwway, what I am saying is killing animals may not be barbarian for you but it is for vegetarians. So you cannot apply univarsaly say, "Huh? There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food.". Different people follow different morals.
Your comment, "Plants like lettuce are annuals that are going to die with the first frost.", is begging to be trashed. Everybody dies after their lifetime. Pigs, chikens, cows. They are anyway going to die after their life time. Enourmous number of sheep, cow, poultry are being culled because of Mad cow etc. deseases. Is this not barbaric? A human being is also going to die after his/her lifetime. So what's wrong in culling deseased humans??? What's wrong in even murdering people? The murderer can justify it as culling
 
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Moderation baby - moderation's the name of the game! I never said "be a vegetarian", I just said we should pay the true cost of what we eat. By far the best source of the essential amino acid arginine is from beef; doesn't come in chicken or fish or lentils... Some vegetarians will even tell you that you should eat a couple of ounces of beef every week, just for the arginine.
 
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
I just said we should pay the true cost of what we eat.

You still haven't explained why Australian beef is only marginally more expensive than US beef. Is the Australian beef industry getting water subsidies from the US government?
 
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Originally posted by Terimaki Tojay:
Anwway, what I am saying is killing animals may not be barbarian for you but it is for vegetarians.

But vegetarians are idiots!
The silliness of the lettuce thing is that if it wasn't for eating lettuce then no one would grow it and the lettuce plant becomes extinct. Is that what fruitarians want?
As far as not eating seeds... how do they get the seeds out of the raspberries?
 
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I don't know about Australian beef
Maybe there's enough land for them to graze and fatten naturally? No corn feeding? I'm just guessing...
 
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Maybe the Australians are getting a subsidy from their govt.
At the end of the day, who would win in a fight between the meat eaters and the vegetarians, especially if the meat eaters made a vitamin pill trade embargo around the vegetarians
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food.


Even there is nothing wrong in being cannibals
Its just that idiot people think that being cannibal is barbaric
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
But vegetarians are idiots!


I won't bother wondering if thats sarcasm or your opinion, but I have to say that SOME vegetarians really are idiots.
I know a few who refuse to feed their dogs/cats raw meat, why buy carnivores as pets then?
and whats with the grain?
just because dogs and cats are domesticated doesn't mean they suddenly became vegetarians, and just because they eat it doesn't mean its good for them either.
anyway, closer to the topic

Originally posted by R K Singh:
Can any one site one negative point of being vegetarian ?


I'm not a nutritionist, I guess, or I wouldn't be here, but surely you can't have a balanced diet on veggies alone?
and you might argue that what I consider a balanced diet is wrong, but I'm an omnivore, meat has to be part of that balance.
why should I pretend to be a herbivore, I look nothing like the sheep I eat, nor do our digestive systems vaguely resemble each other.
with a bit of googling I found
this site, which argues we're not really omnivores, I don't want to list the things I disagree with, but he ends by quoting the bible

And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food." - Genesis 1:29


very comforting for people eating marijuana I guess
 
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Of course there is probably a quote in some religious book to corroborate any claim no matter how wild...
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Originally posted by Ta Ri Ki Sun:
but he ends by quoting the bible


You know what I have seen here, that most people relate vegatarians with religion ...
And they dont want to be vegetarian because some other religion just preaches about that.. though its not true .. the religion which is generally associated with vegetarians is Hinduism .. but in Hindu it is preached only for Pundits not for all Hindus.
I'm not a nutritionist, I guess, or I wouldn't be here, but surely you can't have a balanced diet on veggies alone?
And I am sure you can .. have you ever heard of Chyawanprash.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food.


Here is part of my yet to begin new novel! For your pleasure I would like to share an excerpt.....

Type : Novel
Name : <To be decided>
Purpose : For Fun, may be for a thought.
Excerpt:
It was Tom's birthday. He was in high spirits and together with his wife, he had plans for a fantastic dinner that evening. They drove to the La Damma restaurant. It was a fine summer evening. The winds blew mildly and the cool gusts of wind made them romantic and love each other. Sure it was an awfully soothing experience to be alive! Every breath was so relieving. The tingling satisfaction that Tom felt in his stomach, made him forget all the political and cultural problems. For now he wanted to live his life in full.
The inside of restaurant was mildly lit. They were playing Mozart symphony at the far end. Tom's wife suddenly had a gush of feelings and her eyes suddenly became moist. She remembered the great satisfaction she had felt ever since she was married to Tom. Tom had brought her all the happiness she could possibly ask for.
After the soup, the waitress came with the menu. It was an amazingly long menu, but Tom , a gourmet of fine taste, could not miss the most tongue tickling, savoury item - the HOT DOG. Even while he spoke the menu, the word hot dog salivated his mouth so much, he could hardly complete the sentence.
At La Damma, they believe in serving fresh dogs to their customers. They had a bunch of dogs left in their pens. Then there was this Young dog with her pup. The pup was hardly a month old and was still used to licking his mother all the time, oblivious to what fate had signed them for.
The chef took the mother dog by her head. This was his last cooking, before he went home, to meet his newly born kid, who was now a month old. The mother dog realized that it was now the time to bid good bye to her kid. For one last time she looked at her kid with eyes full of affection and love. The pup cooed softly. His heart pounding harder.
The mother dog gulped the mouthful of salivating tongue, as she approached her death. Her breathing became coarse, the veins in her brain began to choke with gush of blood, rushing to her brain, her heart pounded harder and harder again, her eyes bulged out from their tiny sockets and with a great agony, that she felt when the knife began to pierce her neck, she gave an awful cry of pain, cry of agony.
For she could not formulate in the choicest words how she felt, she felt the pain nevertheless, that excruciating pain, that tormenting pain, that languishing pain moistened her eyes.
She was a martyr indeed, for she sacrificed the most cherished thing she had, her life, at the altar of sacrifice of Tom's tongue. She hadn't to reason why, she had but to do and die.
While savoring the hog dog, Tom's wife casually asked him " Tom, do you think it is little barbaric to kill a dog for food." Tom replied " Common, don't be weird. There is nothing barbaric about raising animals for food. Bye the way I liked my birthday present. You know I wish to live this day again and again and again...I love to live"
Enjoy...
 
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Hmmm... hot dogs are yummy!
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
Even there is nothing wrong in being cannibals

But murder is against the law.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
But murder is against the law.
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Oh .. good, its just law which makes man not to eat man....
You are right, thats why I was telling, there are some idiots who think that eating man is barbaric.
But you see, its not barbaric, its just law of our nations which stops us.
 
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OK, you've convinced me, Singh. The day of the Methodist missionary is over. We should not be judgemental about cannibal societies; rather, we should respect their traditions.
By the way, my friend is starting an organization aimed out outlawing anti-biotic drugs. He says we have no right to take the lives of even one-celled animals.
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
Oh .. good, its just law which makes man not to eat man....

Either the law or religious beliefs or just a feeling that murdering a fellow human being is wrong. Although there are people that not even the law can stop. Let me ask you this, have you ever read any of those books about people trapped in the wilderness or on lifeboats with no food?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Either the law or religious beliefs or just a feeling that murdering a fellow human being is wrong.


Law, religion or feeling whatever you call, I feel its society which makes you think that murdering a human is wrong.
Why dont you feel murdering a cow/any animal is wrong ??
Because you have grown up eating beef. So you dont feel anything bad about it. Am I right ??
And I am not fighting for veganism or something like that. [Initially I was writing subject as "I will fight for democracy", and before than I was thinking to write subject as "communism is evil"]
What I am trying to say that its not a good habbit to condemn other society till you are not part of that society. Because that society is very much sensible in his own term.
For what one thinks is right for other that thing could be worng.
Let me ask you this, have you ever read any of those books about people trapped in the wilderness or on lifeboats with no food?
Read and seen movies too.
I hope now my point is clear.
Now this thread is all yours
 
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Any animal that has meat has is fair game!
Ancient times:
Meat is a food source that has been eaten by man since the begining of man.
killing animals was not just for eating meat, it could give bones for tools, and help in making places to live (in the form of poles for tents, ancient man here, not the kind of tents you get in your local outdoor centre for a weekend in the woods) and hinds for tents shoes & clothes, to handle harsh winter climates.
why eating meat is good sense:
a small amount of meat is needed to feed a family, whereas a greater amount of vegetables would have been needed to feed the same family, this is due to the fact that vegetables are broken down in the body quicker than meat, so therefore the family would have to eat more sooner than if they were eating meat.
Why crops aren't always good:
some farmers do not rotate their crops, because of it does not make them a profit. soil has to be used for other types of food stuffs or the soil wastes away and becomes bad, not only that the produce itself becomes bad.
not only that crops have pesticides on them and although these take away bugs, they are harmfull to us, and to the environment.
signs to tell what an animal is meant to eat teeth-only using a select amount of animals:
herbivores have incisors which are the front teeth of you and me, these teeth are meant for the cutting and slicing of grasses and vegetables. they also have molars which are flatter to help chew the food stuffs into a pulp to aid in digestion. all grazing animals
omnivores have incisors and canine teeth, the canine teeth are used for ripping chunks of food- meat, like a chicken leg, how many meat eaters would eat a chicken drumstick from KFC only with the front teeth, you don't you rip it with your canine teeth. and molars help pulp the food for easier digestion. humans
carnivors, have only canine teeth and molars, they do not have incisors because their main diet only consists of meat.lions, tigers etc
The design of teeth generally tell you what kind of foods the animal is meant to eat.
Modern times:
I don't believe in the McDonalds (or any fast food joint) way in making millions of hamburgers from proccessed meat to feed the world fast food. it is not the best of meats and you don't see how the hamburger is made, people say it tastes good, but i just wont eat it, I prefer to see the meat that i will be eating from the butcher's (by the way, my local butcher is a woman, incase any of you got the wrong idea, a sweet old lady)
But as my mum always tells me, Hunger is a good kitchen!!!
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Any animal that has meat has is fair game!
Though some make gamey fare...
 
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Animals eating animals is the way of nature. If we humans are animals, then there is nothing immoral in remaining omnivorous just as human animals have been ever since human animals first existed.
On the other hand, if we are to consider humans as not merely animals but also spiritual creatures created in the image of God, well, that would invalidate the analogy between eating animals versus eating humans, wouldn't it?
If it's no longer acceptable to assume that American law and morality should reflect Christian tradition, then we may have to re-evaluate the morality of canabalism.
 
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