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Originally posted by Daniel Curtmil Atrei:
�La Muerte No Acallar� Nuestra Voz! �Espa�a Unida Jam�s Se� Vencida!


Kripya Angrezee Bhasha Ka Prayog Karey
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Anyone can translate that please.
 
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The death doesn't silence our voice. A united Spain will never be defeated.
Should be reaction to you calling ETA freedom fighters.
Southern part of basque region was part of Spain since 550 years. Even before they hadn't own state, but were only part of bigger state.
There was some oppresion against basque culture and language during dictator Franco era, but in spanish democracy (since 1975 or so) they have all rights.
What would you say if a group from Bihar or, better example, Kerala start perpetrating lots of terrorist attacks in indian cities, having only 2% support in population in Kerala. Call them freedom fighters?
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[ March 12, 2004: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
 
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Originally posted by Daniel Curtmil Atrei:
�La Muerte No Acallar� Nuestra Voz! �Espa�a Unida Jam�s Ser� Vencida!


English is the official language of JavaRanch. Using a language other than English excludes people from fully participating in a discussion, and at JavaRanch, everyone is allowed to paarticipate in any discussion. Any posts not made in English that are not provided with an accurate translation risk being deleted.
 
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Then it will have a color of freedom fighting.
Freedom from what? They aren't interested in freeedom because if they were they would have nothing to fight about. Basques are free. Spain is a free, democratic nation. These people are terrorists interested in control and power. They can't get power in a democracy because no one would ever elect them so they try to gain power through terror.
 
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Translation provided as a favor from a Javaranch Sheriff (me):
"�La Muerte No Acallar� Nuestra Voz! �Espa�a Unida Jam�s Ser� Vencida!"
Death will not silence our voice! A united Spain will never be defeated!
 
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If you are going to use "The death" phrase instead of just "Death", then you have to add "of all those people" or something similar...
 
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I'm always amazed that anti-war people seem to think that we need to build a global coalition in order to protect ourselves. Why do we need the permission of other countries to protect American lives from terrorism? And if that means going to Syria next, then what's wrong with that? I agreed with Bush on one thing he said after 9-11...we have to hunt down terrorism wherever it is.
The whole idea of a purely diplomatic approach to this problem strikes me as bizarre and other-worldly. We cannot reason with terrorists--they hate us. They'll die themselves as long as they know they're taking Americans with them. Would you try to reason with a murderer in your house, or would you kill him? The way I see it, this is a very good analogy to terrorism--a murderer in your house has no right to be imposing the *threat* on you in the first place. You don't have to wait at that point for him to start hacking up your wife--the implication of the situation is reason enough to start firing and take a life.
That's terrorism. They depend on the tyranny of the threat to control the actions of people and organizations. 9-11 was a tragedy in the truest sense of the term, but by itself it pales in comparison to the prospect of living in a world where acts like it are even an option to our enemies. Think about it this way--if that had been the unprovoked act of some desert country against us, what would have been an appropriate way to deal with it? I say an unprovoked sneak attack intentionally inflicted on more than 3000 civilians would warrant a retaliatory response of the most destructive powers we can unleash. Why is such a brutal response warranted? Because we need to take this kind of option off the table completely. Attacks like 9-11 need to be as unthinkable to our enemies as they were to us on 9-10.
In fact, I would even go a step further--I think it is our weak-kneed response to the several previous smaller attacks that emboldened terrorists like bin Laden in the first place. The problem we had then, as some anti-war folks still seem to have, is the separation of judicious amounts of force based on legitimate disagreements from uncontrolled, wild, and unjustifiable attacks that employ the most destructive means available. Anti-war folks miss this distinction all the time--they say things like, what right do we have to regulate nukes in other countries when we have the biggest stockpiles? We have *every right* if we have good reason to think that those other countries will use those nukes against us a few weeks after they're procured!
One interesting sidenote: it's starting to look like some major anti-war players, namely Russia and France, were anti-war simply because they were taking bribes from Saddam at the highest levels. France controlled more than $50 billion of Iraq's money in the UN-administered oil-for-food program, and guess what? Now that we've invaded and we're finding records of corruption in Saddam's government, France is unwilling to throw open their books to show how they handled Iraq's 50 billion dollars.
This is crazy--what are we supposed to think? They want to handle international funds belonging to the Iraqi people on behalf of the United Nations in secrecy??? And they don't want to open their books after we've found records substantiating that they and other countries and UN officials were taking huge bribes at the highest levels?
I think the UN is teetering on the edge. I think France and Russia have a lot of explaining to do, and I think we would have been able to build a global coalition against terror if our so-called friends weren't as corrupt as the regime we were moving to overthrow.
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come on, sev,
who's is enemy?
Al Quaida, or your homegrown prejudice about "europeans"?
After watching discussion with a spanish "El Pa�s" correspondent in my german TV, its seems very clear that it was Al Quaida.
So, Al Quaida is problem of the whole world. Not only a problem of a fairly small area between Mexico, Canada, Atlantic and Pacific Ocean.
What if Al Quaida decides that Cebit is proper target and I often catch train to Hannover?
Especially after the Madrid attack, all people with senses together, should look for a common solution how to solve Al Quaida problem.
I don't want to accept that we (U.S.) the french, the russian, etc. crap anymore.
You are not fighting in war against terror. U.S. is not fighting in war against terror. American soldiers are fighting in war against terror. Its them who are risking their lives. Al Quaida attacks anybody: muslims, indonesian people, australian, germans (lots of casualties in 09-11, indonesia and especially Tunesia), americans, spanish, etc.).
It would much better for your budget, for the efficiency of the war against terror and for the arabic world, if your government would think more about how to get support for war against terror from french, germans, spanish, indians, chinese, polnish and russian people. That would be true leadership. This whiney we-go-alone-nobody-helps-us attitude doesn't help anybody. It gives carrierists and bad politicians like Schroeder and Joschka Fischer every chance to use resentiment in population to stay in power.
As a european I feel ashamed of any spanish vote in todays election, which goes against Partido Popular because of "Aznar - is - responsible - as - he - suported US". Iraq war might be contentious issue, but thats no reason to let terrorists influence political decisions.
Hope that in my country there now will excert more pressure against the anti-Al-Quaida part of muslim organisations (overwhelming mayority) to tell more police about radical elements.
Hope there will be more willingness to cooperate from part of the muslim organizations.
Hope that escapistic, arogant and stupid anti-americanism in my country will diminish.
Hope that german politicians stop missuse popular prejudices agains US to get re-elected and start to cooperate with americans and others in most serious way.
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Al Quaida, or your homegrown prejudice about "europeans"?
I think he only singled out the French. (I take it that he was referring to the French GOV'T) Anyway, the French do have a lot of explaining to do.
 
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I singled out the French, the Russians, and the UN because it seems they were both taking bribes from the oil-for-food bank that is the Iraqi people's money.
As far as the "go it alone" attitude you say I was conveying--that's not at all what I was saying. I'm all for letting the world participate...the problem is, they don't want to. France, Russia, and major players in the UN were against the US in cracking down on terror, and now it's coming to light that they were corrupted. The point is, I would've preferred that we had the support of the world, but the European attitude towards confronting terrorism seems to be less than brave.
The Spanish elections just swung today as a capitulation to terrorists...the country is literally begging the terrorists to leave them alone and they're engaging a popular policy of appeasement. The apparently corrupt members of the EU wanted us to "reason" with the terrorist groups instead of bringing down the hammer.
This is absurd, in my way of thinking. The terrorists have no agenda that allows compromise. They don't want anything *from* us...they want to *kill* us. What negotiation could we possibly engage? In this one aspect (and this one aspect alone), this would have been like asking the Jews to negotiate with Hitler. There could be no dialogue there because the Jews had nothing they'd be willing to offer that the Nazis wanted. Despite all the far left liberal squawking out there, the terrorists don't hate America because of what we did/are doing. They hate us because of what we *are* and what we represent. We cannot appease this demand because to do so would be to alter our core values as a society based on freedom and openness.
Spain's response to the terrorist in Madrid reminds me of the old Italian's dialogue in Heller's book, Catch 22.
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Originally posted by sever oon:
we[US] have to hunt down terrorism wherever it is.


Did you ever heard of double standard of US foreign policies ??
And if that means going to Syria next, then what's wrong with that?
Whats wrong in going to Romania or France or UAE or XYZ next ??
Nothing is wrong, even dictatorship is not wrong..... (I just avoided Nazi word)
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:

Did you ever heard of double standard of US foreign policies ??


Not this rant again. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Not this rant again. :roll:


Ignorance is bliss
OK, I wont rant, but what about others' ranting... even I want to scream stop this ranting.
 
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