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The bottom line is that whether you favour BJP, CONG or CPM you must not have a bilnd faith on any party.


Yes, I completely agree with you.
 
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Thanks Sammer,atlast you were successful in transforming VHP worker to a normal man.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Mani,

what is Quaerendo Invenietis ?


It means By seeking, you will discover. Map or Tom can give you better explanations about this term than me
 
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Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:


No.It's the lack of vision of the sangh leadership.The leadership should use the benefits of globalisation collectively.leadership forgot everything by seeing india gaining in IT.The govt should also parellely focus on agricuture and industrial side also.and collectively use the reforms for farmers.they are the basic factor.then there will not be suisides of farmers.then there will not be any divide.the farmers are really desperate under sangh rule.And it's purely lack of vision.


I believe that IT industry has created a divide. No doubt SM Krishna (COngress) lost.
And also TDP. You have failed to mention Congress.
 
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Well, now all I can say is, now if BJP does a good job as the major opposition party, Congress and alliance will be compelled to put up a better show. Anything, for a better India!

I hear its FII selling that�s causing the panic in the market. Congress with its declared socialist bias (and a rather �go-slow� attitude, compared to what we have been doing for last couple of years), and now obliged to follow instructions from CPM and the like, I am not surprised that the FII�s are worried about their money!

Well, I am slightly disappointed with the whole �democratic set-up� thingee, now. Not that I don�t believe in democracy, but IMHO, considering the whole of India as one entity is slowing us down � may be a system where smaller regions (smaller than states) with more power to decide how they want to take their economy forward is more appropriate to our situation.

Ideally, what I would have liked to see is, industrialised regions or the like to be headed by super-slick, CEO-styled leaders leading the way and winning FOREX and taking us ahead from the 'developing world' label, and at the same time, farming oriented communities should be headed by their local leaders who understands their needs and works with the central authorities to get sufficient funds/aid to improve their standard of living.

Well, just some wishful thinking!
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
BJP foreign policy was far better than that of CONG.


If you know then they were simply following the plan of Manmohan with slight modification or should I say that it was not followed properly.. thats all.

Feel free to correct me.
 
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BJP to some extent implmented better policies like Roads,some golden quadrilateral,Young Science talent etc than Congress(I) which was not interested in urban people.BJP precisely took this advantage and successful in capturing power in last 15 years.
Those who can remember ,Sangh Parivar started its Ram Mandir campaign around 1984 in cities across the country.Rajiv Gandhi's decision on Shahbano Case helped BJP quite alot towards capturing power!!.Then it was all Advani and VHP's till Mosque demolition which caused riots.
Congress(I) growth was from villages to ciy where as BJP's growth was from city to village.Initially believers on Cast heirarchy,Sangh Parivar had to change its tactics to accomodate all people in its leadership in which they were successful.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


I believe that IT industry has created a divide. No doubt SM Krishna (COngress) lost.
And also TDP. You have failed to mention Congress.


IT industry is not made the divide.How can IT industry make a divide in a mass community?.becoz a small percentage from a small percentage of educated people in india is working in IT.and these small percentage of people cant make much impact.Govt did'nt cared the other sectors.that's the problom.and it's the policies made things wrong.The BJP govt utterly failed to use the globalisation collectievely to the welfare of the people at all.Economic growth should start from the basic agricuture and industrial sector where majority of indian people is working.and still the life of mass majority of indias are related to these basic sector.

Now the BJP's shining market and sensex is tested.And we are seeing the reaction.Any sensex that does'nt have much root strength will fall.there nothing shocking in it.

No country will only stand up only by expecting foreign investment and gaining money from selling our public companies to foreigners .If the economy is strong,it can never fall by sentiments or some statements.It's clearly showing the hollowness BJP created in indian economy.

In my opinion,the stock prices of indian companies will rise,like relience,BPL etc.and it's a start of a revelution from hollow boom economy shine to more mature and strengthy economy.
 
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Sensex is always dependent on the government in any country.

You said that sensex creates divide bot not IT because only a small portion of people work in IT. It also applies to stock market , not every one invests.

Economic growth should start from the basic agricuture and industrial sector where majority of indian people is working.

Hope Congress takes a note of it. Did PVN make a note of it?
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Sensex is always dependent on the government in any country.



The new govt even dont started working.and if Govt is responsible,that is the past govt,coz this government does'nt started working.
 
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Originally posted by Remo Fernandez:


Truth is always disturbing for those who playing all deception and evil tactics.Devil fears light.They need darkness.


Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!!! We can do without such cliches.
Is it "truth" or trying to rub salt in our wounds??? Worse still an attempt to provoke?? How can one justify including pitures or these riots??? Likewise if somebody posts equally obscene pics of 9/11 here, with any relevance will this be tolerated. Anyway glad that the thread is still on track. So my request is to the moderatores to please delete pictures.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


There was very little communal viloence in India during NDA rule. Gujarat was bad so was sikh riots during Coingress rule.

For congress , secularism means minority votes.


This is really unbelievable! You are using the inhuman acts of a previous govt to justify Gujarat? Do two wrongs ever make a right? Let's see ... what u r saying is that since Congress govt slaughtered thousands of Sikhs it is perfectly alright for the BJP govt to kill Muslims? This is one of the most shameless things I have ever heard

Also, there is nothing called "Sikh riots". It was a massacre of the Sikhs sponsored by the then Indian govt.
[ May 17, 2004: Message edited by: Falana Dhimkana ]
 
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Map:---------------------------
Friends, if you want non-Indians to follow it, maybe somebody could summarize shortly the meaning of the event. It's not quite clear for me, and probably for other too.
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It's kind of difficult, but I'll give it a try. Consider the following and see if it helps.

Situation:
There are three cars c1, c2, and c3, chained togather bumper-to-bumper, stuck in a muddy area, hardly moving. One of the cars, c1, is a little out of the muddy surface and is able to move with ease, but is stuck and can't go anywhere because it is linked with the unbreakable chain. The second one, c2, is totally stuck, and the third, c3, seems to be sinking.

Ideal requirement:
Ideally, we would want to remove all three out of that mud so that they can smoothly carry the passengers in harmonous fashion.

Technicians:
A group of technicians T1 were given the task of getting them out. They came, consulted the people in the c2 and c3, gave them hope, and then went to the first car, c1, and a had a great party. Lasted for about four hours. The cars were still at the same place for the most part.

A second group T2 came in but the members started fighting among each other over who will push the cars from the back and who will pull them from the front. They got exhausted in half an hour- fighting, not actually pushing or pulling. One of their team leaders was caught sleeping many time.

A third group T3 came in. They had a clear cut vision of where to begin. There was no internal fighting because everybody respected the team leader. Things started off well. They helped the first car c1 get out of the mud first (the little mud that was there under it). They started with c1 first because they believed that if c1 started running fine, then the force of c1 itself will help pull other cars. Then within no time they managed to move the second car c2 much faster. Their idea was that if two cars could run smoothly, their forces togather will pull the third car c3 very quickly. The second car had just begun to get out of the mud and reach a certain momentum, and everything was looing so good. Alas! the team's contract was over.

By this time, the passengers in the car c3 got angry at this team T3 because they thought that they were left in the mud alone. Also, the passengers in the second car c2 - who benefitted the most - took their car's motion for granted and did not attend the meeting for contract renewal. The third team T3 lost its contract.

Now the passangers in the third car c3 who attended the meeting wholeheartedly - some of them called for team T1 and some of them wanted T2. And so T1 and T2 came togather. Of the many problems that I see with this setup, the first one is that the team-members of T1 hate to take orders from the leader of the team T2 and vice-versa. That is kind of solvable. What's more funny is this:

1. T2 to start pulling from the c3 side of the three cars. In this process it is okay with them if the c1 and c2 have to get dragged back into the mud.
2 The first team's team leader "promises" c3 passengers that they will be taken care of. But..
3. .. its own chief architect wants to keep pulling from C1 side.

So now the three cars c1,c2,c3 will be pulled by T1 and and T2 from two oposite sides, thus they will mostly remain in the mud for sometime now. In the meantime T3 will wait for a new contract again and hope that T1 and T2 don't undo their work too much and sink all three cars in the process.

Hope that helps
 
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Okay, I've figured out who T1, T2, and T3 are, as well as c2 and c3 ... but who is c1?
 
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:
Okay, I've figured out who T1, T2, and T3 are, as well as c2 and c3 ... but who is c1?


c1 = upper class
 
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I thought that c1,c2, = upper, middle class, c3 = poor, but who are t1, t2, t3?
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I thought that c1,c2, = upper, middle class, c3 = poor, but who are t1, t2, t3?


t1 = congress party
t2 = communist party and the united left front
t3 = bjp and national democratic alliance
 
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Thanks. Cool story and good puzzle.
 
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Bhau Matre, the way you have explained is real cool!
 
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Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:


The new govt even dont started working.and if Govt is responsible,that is the past govt,coz this government does'nt started working.


If the stock market crashes before the government starts working, there is no hope for stock market after the goverment starts working. AW, your wish that stock market should crash further will soon be fulfilled. Be Happy.
 
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Originally posted by Falana Dhimkana:


This is really unbelievable! You are using the inhuman acts of a previous govt to justify Gujarat? Do two wrongs ever make a right? Let's see ... what u r saying is that since Congress govt slaughtered thousands of Sikhs it is perfectly alright for the BJP govt to kill Muslims? This is one of the most shameless things I have ever heard

Also, there is nothing called "Sikh riots". It was a massacre of the Sikhs sponsored by the then Indian govt.

[ May 17, 2004: Message edited by: Falana Dhimkana ]


Where did I justify? Dont jump to wrong conlusion and confuse others. Read my posts carefully.
 
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If Manmohan Singh becomes Finance Minister,I don't see any problem why bulls and bears should decry over Sonia becoming PM.Quite a large percentage of these bulls are BJP supporters.On political front ,extrmists like Uma Bharti,Swaraj and on economic front these hired bulls.Thats parivar's new tactics.Foreign origin is dead issue now.Lets concentrate on core issues.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


Where did I justify? Dont jump to wrong conlusion and confuse others. Read my posts carefully.


It's not a wrong conclusion.You are answered for opposing Muslim killing.becoz Remo posted some minority killings in india with examoples of BJP riots plans.you are answering remo.and you told this sikh as the answer of Minority killing.
 
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Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:


It's not a wrong conclusion.You are answered for opposing Muslim killing.becoz Remo posted some minority killings in india with examoples of BJP riots plans.you are answering remo.and you told this sikh as the answer of Minority killing.


Thanks for the conlusion.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


Where did I justify? Dont jump to wrong conlusion and confuse others. Read my posts carefully.


This is what you wrote:

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


There was very little communal viloence in India during NDA rule. Gujarat was bad so was sikh riots during Coingress rule.

For congress , secularism means minority votes.


If this is is not a justification what is it? Aren't you saying that Gujarat killings are excusable because Sikh massacre under Congress rule was much worst. If that isn't the point of your statement what is the comparison supposed to mean? Are you willing to condemn Gujarat govt violence regardless of what the previous govt did? Are you willing to hold BJP responsible as much as you hold Congress responsible?
 
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An old, but excellent interview with Manmohan Sing is here.

Looks like he knows what he is talking about. Go on, give the man the job, and lets rock the world!

A scientist as President; an economist as Prime Minister! Can this get any better?
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:

A scientist as President; an economist as Prime Minister! Can this get any better?
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A scientist as President with no power... an economist as PM who can not make decision on his own (with so many outside supporters, I don't think he can make changes like he did in the early 90s).. , We still have a long way to go Ashok..
 
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But its 100 times better than Yadavs,Pawars etc as PM.
 
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Originally posted by Sankar Subbiah:


A scientist as President with no power... an economist as PM who can not make decision on his own (with so many outside supporters, I don't think he can make changes like he did in the early 90s).. , We still have a long way to go Ashok..


The half dead vajpai has ruled with an alliance of more than 20 parties.And only a hald dead can made decisions within that constranment.
 
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Originally posted by Falana Dhimkana:


If this is is not a justification what is it? Aren't you saying that Gujarat killings are excusable because Sikh massacre under Congress rule was much worst. If that isn't the point of your statement what is the comparison supposed to mean? Are you willing to condemn Gujarat govt violence regardless of what the previous govt did? Are you willing to hold BJP responsible as much as you hold Congress responsible?


Yes both are responsible but for you only BJP is responsible. I am not one of those who make selective criticism. I have mentioned in previous posts(To Remo) that selective criticism is wrong. You havent criticized Congress.
Why ? It was because they killed sikhs and not muslims,right? Please dont confuse others.


I am not going to respond if you continue to confuse others.
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Originally posted by Sankar Subbiah:


A scientist as President with no power... an economist as PM who can not make decision on his own (with so many outside supporters, I don't think he can make changes like he did in the early 90s).. , We still have a long way to go Ashok..


I am happy that Manmohan is PM.
 
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Great,Manmohan Singh is deserving candidate than anybody.He ofcourse understands economics well as he was former RBI governer,Finance minister.
Thats cool biodata

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Originally posted by Sankar Subbiah:
..We still have a long way to go Ashok..


I agree, but at least we are walking, and the guys in the front row know where we they are going!

By declining the position, Sonia Gandhi proved herself worth for the post � it was very selfless, and I can only imagine how much courage and determination it would take to say �No� to the greatest chance to be in power!! We are all humans after all!! Now that she has proved her metal, I think she should lead the Congress and play the �King maker� role of assigning the right people the right job! I am sure she will do a good job at it, IMHO.
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


I agree, but at least we are walking, and the guys in the front row know where we they are going!

By declining the position, Sonia Gandhi proved herself worth for the post � it was very selfless, and I can only imagine how much courage and determination it would take to say �No� to the greatest chance to be in power!! We are all humans after all!! Now that she has proved her metal, I think she should lead the Congress and play the �King maker� role of assigning the right people the right job! I am sure she will do a good job at it, IMHO.


Read this
http://dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story1%2Etxt&counter_img=1
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Read [link]


And this for you!


Kalam did not raise citizenship issue with Sonia: President's office

New Delhi, May 19. (PTI): President A P J Abdul Kalam had not raised the issue of Sonia Gandhi's citizenship when the Congress President met him yesterday to discuss Government formation, a Rashtrapati Bhavan statement said today.
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La loo will be a good FM, we dont have to pay tax.
 
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Sonia gandhi is a member of parliament for years.And where now this issue raised up?.It's another sangh parivar deceptive tactics to pollute Sonia gandhi's truthful image.We all know the charector of BJP leaders.And now it's quite sure that narrowminded BJP leaders can never make an image as Sonia gandhi.So it's a deliberate attempt to pollute and destroy the truthfull image of her.And it's just another example of deceptive tactics of dark forces.

It's personal assault at it's peak.Too brutal.
 
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:

Yes both are responsible but for you only BJP is responsible.

No, I think they are both responsible for horrible deeds! BJP is no better or worse than Congress. Where did I say congress is great?

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:

I am not one of those who make selective criticism. I have mentioned in previous posts(To Remo) that selective criticism is wrong. You havent criticized Congress.
Why ? It was because they killed sikhs and not muslims,right? Please dont confuse others.

I am not going to respond if you continue to confuse others.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

All I am trying to say is that Congress killed Sikhs and BJP killed Muslims. Does that BJP or Congress any better than each other? They are both responsible for killings. How is this trying to confuse others?

I fail to understand how anyone can possibly support a political outfit responsible for killing innocent human beings?
 
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