Originally posted by Max Habibi:
I'm also not aware of beggars borrowing children(I wonder where they get them? Who are the parents? Are there groups of people out there who are not beggars, yet lend their children out to beggars? Is this a cottage industry? If so, how do the beggars pay them? Is this a common phenomena?).
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Originally posted by Steven Bell:
Not one time did any of these people ever beg me or anybody else in my platoon for money. I have far more respect for them than I do for any of the snivling whinny beggers in the US who spend day after day standing at a street corner collecting cash.
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Originally posted by Steven Bell:
Lets equate this to something we are all familiar with. Begging for code.
Somebody posts a request for code on the forum. Is it helpful for us to write the code for them. ... Why? because we all know that by giving them the code we are not helping them.
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Ah, the virtuous poor...
I worked as a "social worker" for 3 years adminsitering food stamps, welfare money, and medical assistance to the needy.
Originally posted by Max Habibi:
I would also like to believe that these people do not need my help. Unfortunately, I do not believe that.
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Originally posted by Steven Bell:
I'm not saying that they do not need help. I'm saying that giving them money is not help.
Max:
I understand your statement, but I disagree with it. I do think that giving a begger some change will help him/her, maybe enough to go get a burger.
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Perhaps one of the things we could do to help those in need is to make it a little simpler and easier for them to help themselves in a productive way.
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Originally posted by Dipak Mahbubani:
My country India is a begging country.everybody is begger so its give and take relationship.![]()
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Originally posted by James Carman:
I heard about a guy in San Francisco on Fisherman's Wharf that stands behind a bush or something and jumps out and scares people for money. Once you get scared, you stand by and watch him scare someone else. For the entertainment value, folks give him money. I would definitely give that guy money!
Originally posted by Stan James:
We saw a man in a fast food place the other day counting his few coins and checking the menu very carefully, finally gave up and just put his head on the table. My wife talked with him a minute and gave him a few bucks. I think he really needed the food.
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Originally posted by Ryan McGuire:
The other biggest individual target of my generosity is the guy playing the saxaphone outside Cleveland sporting events. (Go Cavaliers!) He would take requests, and I've never seen anyone stump him. One time the crowd of passersby was rattling off Motown songs, stuff from the 20s and 30s, modern (mid to late '90s at the time) hits, and he was able to play every one. When he knew my request, Birdland by Weather Report, it was worth twice the going rate of a buck a song. I haven't seen him the last couple times I've been in the area. I hope he's ok.
So in general I'll give a buck or two to someone who at least provides some entertainment or other service (shoe shine, etc.). But I rarely give anything to the beggars that are just looking for a handout. However, if I see someone eating out of a garbage can, I'll offer a little something without even being asked.
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[ May 08, 2005: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
Originally posted by Ben Souther:
I think you're confusing two entirely different classes of people.
There are plenty of very well off musicians with good day-jobs who enjoy taking it to a park or corner to play for passers by and making a few extra bucks.
I don't think any of them would consider themselves beggers.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
[b]For myself I feel that if I don't take this person's hand and walk him into this shiny place where he can get food, shelter, drug/alcohol rehab, counseling etc, etc, etc, which I don't, then I should at least help him to get through this one night, as Max said.
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Originally posted by Max Habibi:
I wonder where they get them? Who are the parents? Are there groups of people out there who are not beggars, yet lend their children out to beggars? Is this a cottage industry? If so, how do the beggars pay them? Is this a common phenomena?
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Originally posted by James Carman:
I heard about a guy in San Francisco on Fisherman's Wharf that stands behind a bush or something and jumps out and scares people for money. Once you get scared, you stand by and watch him scare someone else. For the entertainment value, folks give him money. I would definitely give that guy money!
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
Its shocking to see someone asking for food in First world country.
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
but here are families which are at the limit and can't survive without some non-statal wellfare organizations.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Nomally I would say that yes, if I think what I do is right, then everybody else should do the same;
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive. In fact if Map is right and so is everyone else everyone else thinks the same as Map does and so does the same thing in both cases.
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