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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
it wasn't considered "cool" to be a girl who was into computing. Sad but I fear true for many other girls.



Really an interesting observation. Although I personally feel, from my own limited experience, that the girls who had these problem solving abilities and were keen to learn programming and computers, were more chirpy and appeared to be more cool in our batch. (Of course, I am not saying that physical appeal was totally neglected, when my definition of 'cool' is concerned, or IF neglected at all)...


I started programming 18 years ago when I was just 10 years old.
Its bad manners to ask a girl about her age. well, who needs to anyway? , Not anymore.


- Ramy..
 
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Originally posted by Raghavendra nandavar:
Is the percentage of women on javaranch very less??
or
Very less people (women) create and reply to the posts (atleast in MD )
or
Are there many in disguise

Just curious to know




look for the user names wearing lipstick
 
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I don't think women cannot be good programmers, they surely can be and there are many, but then women manage home too (which "some" guys don't even think of giving a helping hand at). The programming job is very demanding, so most women have to leave jobs to manage homes and children of you guys who think women cannot program..
 
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The programming job is very demanding, so most women have to leave jobs to manage homes and children of you guys who think women cannot program..


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Donot tell this boring things over and over again. You girls put on this lame excuse every time you are questioned. I feel women are far more practical in these days, ask any of them about leaving a job for family and they do make huge cries and also do come up and put such excuses when needed.
[ April 24, 2006: Message edited by: subho saha ]
 
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I don't see how gender can affect one's programming skills.
(probably one can argue this over jobs involving physical labour and ofcourse there are many jobs men don't do well as compared to women)

Yes, though most of the women have fulltime outside jobs, managing home is still handled by women in majority of the households and they have to juggle their outside job with hours spend daily in home making.

On the other hand men are primarily focussed on their jobs and careers, and spend far less time or no time taking care of daily household chores.

I guess this make womens to gravitate towards less intensive outside jobs, so that they have time to handle household chores.

Just my 2cents theory
 
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I think we'd see more female programmers if there weren't so many male programmers smelling like nasty BO.
 
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I think we'd see more female programmers if there weren't so many male programmers smelling like nasty BO.

Some of the replies to the posts here are making my sides split. Buwahahahahahah.
 
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Originally posted by Roger Nelson:
I don't see how gender can affect one's programming skills.



Exactly... There is no way one's programming skills are dependant
on gender.
 
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I believe all woman are good at programming male.

Just kidding
 
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I believe all woman are good at programming male.


And if she is java programmer then she has high tights around him
 
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Part of the problem may be that IT is often seen as a geeky nerdy and above all male industry. I'm not sure if things work in a similar way in other countries, but in the UK students get to choose which subjects they study from around the age of 14 onwards. At this age looking cool is pretty important, so perhaps many girls avoid subjects like physics, maths and computing because they aren't cool for girls. These subjects lead to the kind of logical thinking which makes later study of computing easier.

Of course it is possible for people to move into computing without studying logic-based subjects at school, but it is probably less likely then if they had studied them. I'd bet that a majority people who work in IT have some kind of qualification in one of these kinds of subjects.

My Computing GCSE (14-16) was about 80% male. My A-Level (16-18) Computing course was 100% male. My Computing degree was about 95% male.
 
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Originally posted by Raghavendra nandavar:


Exactly... There is no way one's programming skills are dependant
on gender.



On what do you base that statement?

Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting that every man is better at programming than every woman. But are you sure that programming skill is in no way related to gender differences? Could it be 5% related? How about 10%? 25? 50?
 
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Since I was taking my baccaluarate at the University there was a big difference between the number of men and women at class. Now I am taking the mastery on IT and we are 10 students at class, only 1 woman.

I have worked for 4 different software development companies. There was a time we were about 80 employees. There were only 3 women. They all said they did not want to be programmers, they wanted to be project leaders or managers.

In the last company I knew two excelent women programmers. They excelled over the men working on the company. I knew they were good programmers since the moment I knew them.

My point is, there is not such thing as that stupid generalization that male developers are better than women. However, you all have to admit, that something happens.


There must be something in the male brain that makes them enjoy programming more that what typical women do.

If not, tell me, what allures thounsands of men to study a career were they will not find girls? and what repels women from studying a career that is full of nice looking guys like ourselves? :roll:

Seriously, I am puzzled. I would really appreciate to hear a scientific explanation in this regard.

Not about that stupidness of men better than women, but about why less women like programming, or why less women like videogames, or science fiction, or fat guys with Mr Spok ears, like Angela said.
 
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Originally posted by Ryan McGuire:


On what do you base that statement?

Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting that every man is better at programming than every woman. But are you sure that programming skill is in no way related to gender differences? Could it be 5% related? How about 10%? 25? 50?



The above post gives an explanation for your query... But I need
an explanation as in how it is 5%, 10% or 25% related.... :roll:
 
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Female programming languages?
 
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I honestly believe it is some hangover of the old "order of things" that once established the rules society was governed by. Science and anything associated with it was a Male persuit and any woman who wished to persue such things was considered "unfeminine".

I'm thankful that my parents raised me to consider myself to the equal of every person I met, be it male or female. As a child my mother taught me to cook, knit, sew and other "feminine" persuits. My dad let me help him with DIY tasks around the house as such I learned to wire a plug when aged 7 (I know grown women who wouldn't know where to start with this and it sickens me) and how to saw wood, use a drill and other tools. Neither of my parents are particularly into computers but I've been drawn to them ever since I was given my Amstrad CPC464 and they actively encrouaged that along with everythign else I ever wanted to do. I'm a bit of an anomoly in my family, as proficient in needlework as I am in JAVA programming.

They say people tend to be more logical or creative based on which side of their brain they use the most. I believe I use both sides equally.
 
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I find no special need to mention boy or girl programmers.

This is not physical sports whereby there are 'natural restrictions'

Programming is more about our brains and the effort we put in to learn. EVERYONE had a pretty good brain.

If we really want a world of true equality, I think it is important to either stop specially mentioning about a particular group of people or mention all instead. That why I sometimes find it funny when certain humans rights group for a certain group of people comes out and keep shouting for equality, give us this and that that other groups humans have. But did not mention a single word about being willing abandoning some of their exclusive rights/privileges granted to their group of people by the government and so on in exchange.


I'm drifting out of topic. Sorry.

hmm about using how much of your side of brain determine how logical or creative you are....

I'm both handed and I believe I'm both stupid and uncreative.
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How did this thread come to the top after soo many days...
 
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