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The Davinci Code

 
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First, the book is labeled by the publisher as "Fiction".

I am not replying to any post, only to the subject at hand. And I have not read any of the replies so...

My only comment is that "The Priory of Sion" is a complete invention dating back to the 1970s.

It has never existed in reality even though (I understand, since I have not read the book) its existence is listed as "Fact" by the author.

"60 Minutes" (CBS News) had a whole segment dedicated to the "da Vinci Code" with detailed explanations of how the name of "The Priory of Sion" came about, invented by a frenchman who was good at inventing tales.
 
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:

Not that I care one way or the other -because political correctness is crap-,
but are you trying to exempt yourself from the feelings of people who ARE hurt, by stating that you didn't mean to? In that case, shouldn't you have refrained from posting this at all?



Dear Ulf,
do you know, sombody's wantedly post something to hurt others. But my intention is i wanna share what i know. Just take this as the great davinci's work, just an art. Hope you took it in other way.
 
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
First, the book is labeled by the publisher as "Fiction".



true, but on the very first page the author states it's fact...
Many people don't bother with the publisher classification which is placed only in the colofon together with the date of publication and the ISBN number...
 
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true, but on the very first page the author states it's fact...


Have no other works of fiction ever claimed they were fact? Read back through the history of literature, time was the only way to produce a fictional work was to preface it with some premise that suggest it was fact. The classic was to have the narrator find some diary or other documentation and retell its contents. Authors used to exclude names and dates, precicely because they maintained the premise that their story was a retelling of an actual event.
 
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Is this film banned in any country?
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
true, but on the very first page the author states it's fact...

Are there really any people out there who would actually believe this is fact?! If so, then we should probably stick disclaimers on the Lord Of The Rings as well, because that's about as believable. Not that the theories are unbelievable, but rather the inane dialog between the characters and the seemingly unending sequence of convenient coincidences.

Mind you, there are some other even more unbelievable books out there which people think are true.
 
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There are many people who will believe anything if it's presented with a veneer of authority, and given the way Dan Brown is presented in the press as if he were a scientist and his book a history book rather than fiction (even National Geographic and Discovery are doing so) there are many people taking his work as gospel (no pun intended).

If I'd not known it was pure fiction when I first heard of it I might have believed at least part of his fantasy, he's rather convincing in presenting himself as a historian who stumbled onto a major conspiracy by the Church to take over the world rather than an author of fiction.
Luckily I'd read most of the story years earlier and read similar works of fiction like Eco's masterpiece Foucault's Pendulum (which deals in part with the same material).
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
<snip> even National Geographic and Discovery are doing so) </snip>



It is exactly that over-exposure that has put me off seeing the film. Surely the producers "sponsored" these spots on Discovery and National Geographic!
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
There are many people who will believe anything if it's presented with a veneer of authority

Yes, I can think of two jobs, both beginning with p, which involve presenting dubious theories with a veneer of authority. I suspect mentioning them by name may bring about swift post deletion though

Luckily I'd read most of the story years earlier and read similar works of fiction like Eco's masterpiece Foucault's Pendulum (which deals in part with the same material).

I really enjoyed this book, it showed how the same subject could be dealt with in a much more entertaining way. If only more people would read this instead of The Da Vinci Code.
[ May 26, 2006: Message edited by: Dave Lenton ]
 
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Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
Is this film banned in any country?



My main source of news is aljazeera.net, and they've only mentioned a ban in Manila:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4942D03F-87CB-44BE-BEBD-013C3377581F.htm
 
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"Thank God" (no pun intended!) for watchful governments who decide what FICTIONAL MOVIES their citizens can legally watch.

HA HA HA!
 
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Seriously now, I am flabbergasted (yes, that's the correct word. I looked it up and I have been almost exploding to post this in any 'da Vinci' thread for some time now...)

I am flabbergasted that the so-called "investigative reporters" investigating (?) the da Vinci code issue have completely missed the phrase "Ordre de la Rose-Croix" so prominently displayed under the made up title of "Priory of Sion" in this part of the so-called "Secret Documents" (how could anyone believe that actual secret documents would be labeled as such in its front cover escapes all true researchers but I digress...)

I am referring to this image from those so-called 'secret docs...':

http://solo23.abac.com/tony-alicea/alicea/DaVinci_R-C.gif

I hope I don't get sued by Mr. Brown like he was from the authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail". And I digress again; shame on me.

The point is that I CAN tell that these "secret docs" are fake just by seeing the phrase "Ordre de la Rose-Croix" included in the hoax.

But then again, I am not, not have I ever being in charge of "keeping the secret"

I have voluntarily chosen to do what I hope are better things...

As I said, I would have 'exploded' if I had not posted this in a relatively public forum.

BTW; I am still researching my library for the source (because I have seen that Rose-Cross graphic to the left of the "R+C" name, many times before in ancient literature) where the author of the "secret docs" (in the 1970s) stole the graphic of the Rose-Cross.

It is probably from England in the 1600s. Robert Fludd and John Heydon come to mind.

I am familiar with the Rose-Croix tradition (very) and the Priory of Sion did not exist then or now.

I must stop here...

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL, BTW! (Remembrance Day!)
 
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Right. The classic way of people to hide their involvement in secret societies is to deny their involvement with such societies.
Therefore logically you're a member of the Rosicrucians and involved in a campaign to make the secret documents look like they're fakes.
 
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Very clever, Mr. Wenting. Of course, you realize, we may have to deal with you now....
 
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I'm one of THEM, so it's black helicopters against purple cloaks.
 
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Good sense of humor you both!

BTW, we missed you at last night's secret meeting!

What happened? Rhetorical question since with our psychic powers we already knew what happened! Ha ha!

Secretly now... I mean seriously now, as told again in a History Channel special on the Freemasons, the secrecy that now is not needed (esp. in the USA) was needed in previous centuries in Europe because of the control that religion and monarchs had over the people. Those two authorities were that last ones that wanted people thinking for themselves...

Burning at the stake sucked then and sucks now.

This History Channel new program is not bad at all; I ordered the DVD which will be out I think July 4.

Not that anybody cares (they shouldn't) but my association with one form of Rosicrucianism or another is no secret since I have it prominently displayed in my personal web page for ages now:

http://alicea.info

Please don't tell the Freemasons that I said that!
 
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and modern governments do want people to think for themselves?
if that's so why are they all so intent on destroying the education system in any country they're inflicted upon?
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
and modern governments do want people to think for themselves?



Sure. Some do (the USA for example. In its founding principles at least - and that's a lot), and some don't - North Korea. (No further explanation necessary on that one.)

Sorry but "modern governments do want..." is too general a question for me; maybe we can narrow...?
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modern as in "currently active".

We're having a similar discussion elsewhere, the consensus there is that it's in the interest of governments to keep their subjects stupid in order to prevent them rebelling (which in a democracy equates to voting for the other side).
 
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Well that certainly didn't work with us Americans did it?

The british crown tried but it couldn't, right?

I guess when you say "rebellion" or such you don't include the USA now, right?

There is nothing to rebel against, here and now in the USA.

Oh wait I forgot. But there are elections this November

Ha ha!

DISLCAIMER: I am experimenting with the paid public high speed access PC that this cheap motel has in its lobby.

There's no spell checker and I just hope they didn't capture my JavaRanch username and password and start posting inane posts (well, more of them) using my name.

As for the credit card number being stolen (it's used like in a gas pump) I will be able to tell real soon and I am not liable for unauthorized use
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
it's in the interest of governments to keep their subjects stupid in order to prevent them rebelling (which in a democracy equates to voting for the other side).

Unless of course they come up with a system where there's only a small choice of parties to choose from, and all of them are in on the game.

Better still, the media can join in with the project - the dumber people are, the more likely they are to believe anything they read.

Some species are much more clever in groups then individually - ants are not that intelligent as individuals, but as a group they can show signs of rudimentary intelligence. Humans are the opposite - despite having some reasonably clever examples dotted around the place, get any humans into a group and that group will act in a stupid way. The simplest way to encourage stupidity is to encourage people into a small number of large groups.
 
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