kev grant wrote:
Toolbar PR is nothing much to do with ranking any more. real PR (which we cant see or measure) very definitely is.
paul wheaton wrote:So each month there are
68 million searches for java (we're #31)
6.1 million for jsp (we're not in the first 100)
1.5 million for applet (we're not in the first 100)
1.5 million for servlet(we're #71)
823,000 for how to java
673,000 for java tutorial
673,000 for tomcat (we're not in the first 100)
450,000 for java programming (we're #47)
246,000 for scjp (we're #4 and #5)
246,000 for applets
201,000 for servlets (we're #54)
74,000 for java certification (we're #16)
60,500 for learn java (we're #61)
40,500 for learning java (we're #35)
12,100 for java forums (we're #5)
6,600 for java community (we're #18)
so it seems like a great title would be "java jsp java applet servlet how to tutorial" - right?
Then we need to find a path between that and what we have now, right?
kev grant wrote:
paul wheaton wrote:
i think i saw this in action on the forum? but if so, you need to switch the nofollow off. in fact personally I would switch it off full stop. if a link deserves to be there at all, it deserves to be live IMO.
I think the java links don't have no follow.
no, if we're talking about the same ones, they show pink in my browser?
paul wheaton wrote:
kev grant wrote:
Toolbar PR is nothing much to do with ranking any more. real PR (which we cant see or measure) very definitely is.
So, are you saying that we might have "real PR" of 7 but toolbar PR of 5?
Why would the two be so different?
paul wheaton wrote:
kev grant wrote:
paul wheaton wrote:
i think i saw this in action on the forum? but if so, you need to switch the nofollow off. in fact personally I would switch it off full stop. if a link deserves to be there at all, it deserves to be live IMO.
I think the java links don't have no follow.
no, if we're talking about the same ones, they show pink in my browser?
If you scroll to the very bottom, there is a line that says "visit our java home page!" - is that java pink for you?
paul wheaton wrote:Look at your first post in this thread. See the word java? Is that pink for you?
kev grant wrote:
nobody really knows, its all guesses, speculation, hunches. you have to remember PR is a logarithmic function, the best guess is base 6.
so PR5 x 6 = PR6, PR6 x 6 = PR7 etc.
paul wheaton wrote:twitter and facebook and the like: well, you are changing my mind a bit about this one. I have one more whammy to throw at you. The thing I read fairly recently mentioned that google is updating their algorithms to be "more hip" to compete better with bing and some of the other new search engines. And so if something is twittered a lot, they figure it has more value. So google was bypassing the nofollow stuff to harvest those twitter links.
A bunch of hooey?
kev grant wrote:
no, but that's the second link (at least) to home isnt it? the first is Javaranch at the top?
Google only count the first link http://www.seo-scientist.com/first-link-counted-rebunked.html so anything after that is likely a waste of link equity. in general we try never to link twice from any one page to any other page if possible. there are specific exceptions but thats the general principle. less links leaving - more juice down each one.
paul wheaton wrote:
kev grant wrote:
nobody really knows, its all guesses, speculation, hunches. you have to remember PR is a logarithmic function, the best guess is base 6.
so PR5 x 6 = PR6, PR6 x 6 = PR7 etc.
Wow! I used to think it was base 18. Not sure why.
paul wheaton wrote:
kev grant wrote:
no, but that's the second link (at least) to home isnt it? the first is Javaranch at the top?
Google only count the first link http://www.seo-scientist.com/first-link-counted-rebunked.html so anything after that is likely a waste of link equity. in general we try never to link twice from any one page to any other page if possible. there are specific exceptions but thats the general principle. less links leaving - more juice down each one.
Yowch. Okay, that's one that we're seriously messing up.
Currently, it says JavaRanch, but that's really two links "Java" and "Ranch". It was our feeble attempt to have java be the anchor text.
So, what if we change it back to "JavaRanch" as just one link and take out the rest?
It seems like anchor text is really important - and getting onto page 1 of a search for java seems like a primary goal.
What would you suggest?
paul wheaton wrote:1) Jeanne has modified the software so that we can fiddle with the URL a bit. I plan on going through and tinkering with the section and forum URL stuff in a few days. Mostly to make the URL's shorter.
1.5 million for servlet(we're #71)
If you make two links to a URL, the destination gains pagerank exactly the same as if you made one link. And the source page loses page rank as if you made two different links.
paul wheaton wrote:So if the primary mission is to improve our standing with "Java" to the javaranch home page, what do you suggest?
I'll go follow this new link (hoping that something scary doesn't pop up).
So if we have 500,000 threads and they each have, say, 100 links to ... stuff. Including five to the home page. And if we changed that so it was more like 30 links and only 1 to the home page, then google will like our home page a whole lot more?
paul wheaton wrote:That makes sense!
And I like the idea of a cleaner page too.
I think that links to our home page should have the anchor text of "JavaRanch" - that just seems what is good from a human perspective. Of course, from an SEO perspective, the anchor text should read "java jsp java servlet applet" and I'm not gonna do that.
"Java" is in "JavaRanch" - will that be good enough? Should we seriously consider "Java Ranch" instead?
Of course, from an Spammer perspective, the anchor text should read "java jsp java servlet applet"
paul wheaton wrote:
Currently, on the "java" search, we are hovering around #21 to #24. I'm not saying I want to be #1 - that would be nuts. I'm saying that it just seems like we should be #9 or #10. And since we currently are not, then that is proof that I've been a poor site steward.
again I'd have to disagree, that will not "just happen" you would have to have been thinking about it and trying very hard for a long while, and you have other priorities.
kev grant wrote:and if youre altering urls, Im assuming the old is 301 redirected to the new?
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paul wheaton wrote:It seems to me that if a person goes to google and types in "java" then JavaRanch should appear on page 1. We're on page 4. This tells me that something is wrong.
kev grant wrote:
you havent even looked in there properly have you?Paul, it will blow you away what you can see in GA when you look ;)
kev grant wrote:on the left, click traffic sources, then keywords, and then set the dates box upper right. that'll show you the top ten, then at the bottom of the page in the dropdown select 500 kws. you can then see the percentages up / down for every kw, and the overview will also show you how many kws total this period and previous.
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