Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Christophe,
I'm pretty sure they don't take the course prerequisites literally. They are meant for people following the program. I think someone can just register for the architecture course.
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Christophe Verré wrote:
So how about some concrete ideas of trying to persuade Oracle to change their mind?
Why do you want to do that ? Why do you bother that much ?
Christophe Verré wrote:
So how about some concrete ideas of trying to persuade Oracle to change their mind?
Why do you want to do that ? Why do you bother that much ?
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Sean Keane wrote:I think we all agree the introduction of courses as a requirement is a negative thing. So how about some concrete ideas of trying to persuade Oracle to change their mind?
I'll get the ball rolling.
1) We could create an online petition http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html
2) We could mass email Oracle
If anyone has any ideas of how to get this story into the media, I think that would be useful, as a company is much more likely to change their mind due to negative publicity about their company rather than people simply complaining - I'm sure they expected people to complain when the cost of the certification increased five fold!!!
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Ulrich Cech wrote:In germany, it is even more expensive... the $2250 courses cost 2210€+19% tax
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I had contact with oracle, and there is no way to omit the courses. That means for me to leave the certifications.
Elchin Asgarli wrote:
ScheißeOr you can still complete it until 1st of August, right? But it means weekends will be quite busy...
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What Is The Value To The Candidates?
A big value of the hands-on course requirement to the credential-holders is that Oracle has eliminated a large group of people that I unkindly refer to as “bottom-feeders” – those individuals and groups (identified by Oracle back in 2002) whose sole goal was to exploit the brand-recognition of the Oracle credentials without really doing the work to become certified. This includes cheaters, those taking advantage of proxy-testing, and those taking real short-cuts to become certified in many different company programs - practices that became evident during the tech-bubble. These people’s actions tend to damage the credentials that many people have legitimately earned. “Bottom feeders” - for the most part - are not willing to spend the time, effort and money to attend an Oracle course.
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At the same time, customers who bought the equipment also wanted the training. And there's your business model. Training + certification process for the resellers, training and maybe certification for customers, and a new business line is born.
Now the hard truth. You want to know what the *real* money grab was here? You guys!
I don't appreciate the tone of the Oracle person quoted above, but that person has a point. A great many people look for ways to pass the exam as a bootstrap.
The real signal I read here? Oracle wants the program to serve the product channel.
But without the once-massive dollars this program brought...it gets back to margins and what the program was meant to be when it was first started.
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Michael Ernest wrote:Bottom line, Oracle believes they'll make more money and have a 'better' certification program going the way they have announced.
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Kumar Raja wrote:It is so shame that Oracle is trying to mint money out of these certifications. Its more like buying certifications rather than proving yourself. I wish Oracle changes its mind and do not impose this mandatory course.... I seriously question, what worth it would be to spend $3000 to buy a certification.
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Kumar Raja wrote:Hi,
Does it mean that all the three parts of SCEA need to be completed before August 1, 2011 or if I complete the first part before August 1 and plan to take the other two after August 1, should I still take the course.
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Michael Ernest wrote:Done properly, it leads to a number of interesting side-effects, like reducing the need for tech support, because, presumably, you now know better what you're supposed to be doing with the product.
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- Robert Bresson
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Bernd Wollny wrote:Howdy guys,
since some of these courses are standards, if i have already taken a course (SL-425) in the past, does it count? (It was not from Oracle itself, some other company did it.)
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Sean Keane wrote:Hands up anyone doing the OCMJD who feels they'd need to attend one of these courses to complete the project, or even feels like they'd gain US$ 2,250 worth from them???
yusuf Kaplan wrote:
Sean Keane wrote:Hands up anyone doing the OCMJD who feels they'd need to attend one of these courses to complete the project, or even feels like they'd gain US$ 2,250 worth from them???
Hi I did not follow the whole thread. Just want to say something with the respect to the quoted comment above.
Why pay US $2,250 for the exam?
Just pick the self study CD ROM with the topic "Fundamentals of the Java Programming Language, Java SE 6" for the SCJD.
There you have to pay only US $600.
So from my point of view you have to pay "only" US $600 to get the SCJD. Is that correct?
Elchin Asgarli wrote:
yusuf Kaplan wrote:
Sean Keane wrote:Hands up anyone doing the OCMJD who feels they'd need to attend one of these courses to complete the project, or even feels like they'd gain US$ 2,250 worth from them???
Hi I did not follow the whole thread. Just want to say something with the respect to the quoted comment above.
Why pay US $2,250 for the exam?
Just pick the self study CD ROM with the topic "Fundamentals of the Java Programming Language, Java SE 6" for the SCJD.
There you have to pay only US $600.
So from my point of view you have to pay "only" US $600 to get the SCJD. Is that correct?
Because Oracle requires that you attend an instructor-lead(!) course.
yusuf Kaplan wrote:Damn, but why then should you buy the self study CD?
This might be for people who can swim in money and wants to donate it to poor companies like Oracle.
Roel De Nijs wrote:
yusuf Kaplan wrote:Damn, but why then should you buy the self study CD?
This might be for people who can swim in money and wants to donate it to poor companies like Oracle.
You don't have to buy the self-study CD, you just have to follow an instructor-led course.
Or you can start with the certification now and finish both parts prior to 1 August 2011 and don't have to meet this mandatory course requirement.
yusuf Kaplan wrote:Alright, I want to avoid the course fee. Lets assume some situations. (This might be interesting for some other Java Greenhorns as well)
yusuf Kaplan wrote:General question: I can only take the 2nd if I pass the first one, right?
Yes, if the candidate has to retake any exam or assignment after 01 Aug 2011, then they have to complete the Hands-on course requirement.
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