How many of you would take SCEA if training is mandatory.

[Andrew Monkhouse]

Chinababu Illa wrote:Frank Jones! Can we give all 3 exams without taking the course? Do they allow us to give the exams? I think they don't allow us. Please confirm.

From the Oracle FAQ (you may have to click the link twice to get past their bad country identification scheme):

How does Oracle verify that I have completed the necessary training to receive my Certification?
Upon completion of your Certification track requirements, Candidates are required to complete a Course Submission Form for providing the details of the required course(s). The submitted form will trigger a request for Oracle to verify your attendance in an approved hands-on course. After your attendance has been verified by Oracle, the form will generate a permanent record in Oracle's certification database, showing that you have met the requirement.

That appears to indicate that you can take all 3 parts without having taken the mandatory training.

[Sami Ahmad]

Can't afford, by the way I hate Oracle, all these changes with Sun Certifications to get more money.

[Devendra Dave]

1) Can't afford (No, can't take SCEA)

I have given SCEA Java EE 5 beta exam without any cost by Sun.

[changu mani]

I can't take it unless my employer sponsors. Education has become business.

[Yogesh Tyagi]

Can't afford (No, can't take SCEA)

[Marco Bresciani]

Andrew Monkhouse wrote:That appears to indicate that you can take all 3 parts without having taken the mandatory training.

Yes, but you won't have the certification... Just did... Only after the submission of the courses (and their verification) your certification will be validated and so produced together with certification kit, logos, ...

[César Guzmán]

Yes, will take the SCEA

[Narayanan Krishnamurthy]

1) Can't afford (No, can't take SCEA)

It was my long dream to take up SCEA and bpught books for preparing for it.
But suddenly this Oracle n mandate training came and all my dreams got shattered. Oops whole careeer planning is shifting..

[Fadil Wiranata]

In Indonesia, training/exams for OCMJEA are not as expensive as in the US. Training would cost about $1500 and each exam is $150 normally. (Part 1 is still in Beta and priced $50) But those are considered expensive here.
With a little saving, I might be able to complete one of the training (Java Design Patterns is cheaper, $1300) and head for the exams.

Even in remorse, but I choose 2) Yes, will take the SCEA

[Amritendu De]

Was itching to talk about this interesting topic. In my opinion when you are looking forward to take SCEA, money should be secondary.

Think like this. Today you have invested 5000$ on the exam. After 10 years from today the money you invested today will come back to you very easily with the following advantages:

1. Course from Oracle is an investment not a burden
2. Your CV is easily shortlisted for a Java architect position
3. You get respect from peers
4. You can apply the skills you have learnt by taking the certification
5. Your salary increases
6. You get a responsible position at work.

So if you want to get a SCEA tag invest some money and think positively about the advantages.

[Raghvendra Pratap Singh]

1) Can't afford (No, can't take SCEA)

[Eduardo Bobsin]

1) Can't afford (No, can't take SCEA)

[peter cooke]

1) would not take it. the ROI is not there.

I might take it if the company paid for it. But I have not worked for a company in the last 10 years that was willing to even think about paying 3K and my salary for a course.

[Shiv Swaminathan]

1. Can't afford.

I wonder why education has become so costly!!!