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Not at all useful.
Reading will not help you to progress in your life.It will just help you to engross your theoretical knowledge.
 
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Meaningless - Without meaning
Drivel - Silly talk
"The Secret" is without meaning, and it is silly talk.


please do read the subtitle the next time you care to post your reply..it says"A place to talk about stuff that has nothing to do with Java"...it means anything meaningful(i can declare that from the threads posted here) that has nothing to do with java!!

So you really believe that when you wish you would a million dollars this year, you would really get it?


probably yes..thats what jack canfield(author of chicken soup)did...

Who said that nature is designed that way? Why would you believe that nature is designed that way? Is it just a feeling based on nothing, or is there any real, objective, scientific evidence for that?


the average child born onto the earth is perfectly healthy with all its organs functioning perfectly,thats the norm of state..thats nature,all living creatures grow with absolute ease,without struggling..thats nature,heart beats continuosly,even when you are sleeping,your subconcious mind works,your breathing process works even when you are sleeping..thats nature,the earth rotates and revolves without any pause...thats nature,trees dont walk,human beings cant bark,animals cant talk,its the same thing with the law of attraction and all other universal laws,its designed that way,and is surely beyond the reach of any living entity..

Am i so bad ??? Is there any thing wrong in dreaming big ? If I want to be like bill gate$ , is it bad/futile because he is too big and i am a kiddie coder ? Should i stop dreaming ? Arent dreams/desires the first step towards getting something ?


i see nothing wrong in what you believe,im just saying that katrina wont fall onto your lap if you just keep dreaming about her..some nudge is required,,bill gates was a school dropout and you are certainly more skilled than him...the difference was in his way of thinking, i never told you to stop dreaming,i was just making you aware of wishful thinking..life is nothing without dreams,you will have no aims or goals in life without dreams..."If you can imagine it, you can achieve it; if you can dream it, you can become it."

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Reading will not help you to progress in your life.It will just help you to engross your theoretical knowledge.


thats upto you to take it or not,no one is(or is supposed to be) forcing you!!
 
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sumedha rao wrote:whats the harm in just trying it out yourself,that would be the greatest evidence you would give yourself


You seem to have a fundamentally different idea of what EVIDENCE is. Evidence comes from unbiased, repeatable experimentation.

Let's assume I put up a list of wishes, and further, let's assume one comes true. How do I know there is any causal relationship between them? Maybe it is just random coincidence. For it to be evidence, it would have to be repeatable. So, the same dream would have to come true multiple times. Further, it must come true at a rate more statistically significant when they ARE on my list than when they are NOT - otherwise it's just the randomness of the universe.

sumedha rao wrote:for example read this story...


Done. I see no evidence. I have no idea how long this person's list was. Perhaps she had a list of 1,000,000 things. the more things on the list, the more likely ONE will come true. She goes on to state that "another of the same item was given to the household". Was the household getting the item on her list? She seems to indicate that her list said SHE wanted it, yet with the HOUSEHOLD gets it, she counts it as a success.

"Win big at the casino" is a rather broad wish. What is considered 'big'? If i'm playing nickel slots, $10 is 'big' in comparison to my bet. If I'm placing $50 on each number on the craps table, a $10 win is actually quite pathetic. So, we have an undefined goal that can be interpreted many, many ways. Something happened that she then retroactively defines as meeting her 'wish' on the list.

I'm sure this woman was 'wishing' her dog would not die, but that didn't happen. and yet, she is able to turn even that around and say this book helped her with that issue.

sumedha rao wrote: you need to try it yourself to make it work for you


No, I really don't need to try it. Clearly, all that has to happen is YOU have to put me believing it on your wish list, and i'll start believing it.

sumedha rao wrote: there's nothing to loose,


except my time and self respect

sumedha rao wrote: every religion(geeta,bible,quran)teaches us to believe and have faith..im not saying secret is a religion,it was never meant to be,i just saying that it teaches us what we have already been taught!


is it not possible we have been taught bad things? Just because we have been taught something doesn't mean a) it is true, or b) that it is a good thing.

sumedha rao wrote: its been working for me!!

How do you know that THIS is the CAUSE of the good things? How do you know that if you had NOT been practicing this, none of those good things would have happened anyway?

sumedha rao wrote: you dont need to know how it works,you just need to know that it does work


And I'm still looking for evidence that it does. So far, there isn't any.
 
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sumedha rao wrote:the average child born onto the earth is perfectly healthy with all its organs functioning perfectly,thats the norm of state..thats nature,all living creatures grow with absolute ease,without struggling..thats nature,heart beats continuosly,even when you are sleeping,your subconcious mind works,your breathing process works even when you are sleeping..thats nature,the earth rotates and revolves without any pause...thats nature,trees dont walk,human beings cant bark,animals cant talk,its the same thing with the law of attraction and all other universal laws,its designed that way,and is surely beyond the reach of any living entity..


Hmmm. First some sentences with feel-good language and then you say that it is just the way it is and it is beyond us to understand it. So is that supposed to make me accept without any objective reason that it is all true?

Try wishing for your million dollars or any other big thing that you like. As I said before, I predict that after some time when you notice that nothing has changed, you'll become disappointed and forget about your wishful thinking dream.
 
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For anyone who practices "the secret": have you learned to transmute lead into gold yet? Because that would be pretty cool if you can do it.
 
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only if you guys have read the book and still dont believe in the law,i will answer your questions...again and again and again i have been answering the same questions asked in some different way and if you dont want to read the book thats none of my problem,lets end this topic,all i know is that everything that comes into your life,you have attracted it into your life knowingly or unknowingly,good or bad..thats it,the law is ever and everywhere,you cannot escape from it.
 
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sumedha rao wrote:all i know is that everything that comes into your life,you have attracted it into your life knowingly or unknowingly


You have just agreed with Fred (and most of the other people on this thread) there. How do you know that the things that happened to you were attracted into your life knowingly (because you believed in the book's message) or unknowingly (they would have happened anyway, due to some unknown cause, whether you read the book or not) ?
 
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sumedha rao wrote:again and again and again i have been answering the same questions asked in some different way


Actually you haven't really answered the question "how do you know that this works" at all. The only answer you gave was that it is just so, and that it is beyond our reach to understand it. That's not really an answer to the question.
 
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So let me see...I can spend time reading a book that tells me about a method that has no credible evidence it works and hope that my dreams come true...or I can actually WORK on having them come true by doing things like learning new professional skills.

Which to choose...
 
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I believe it comes down to Karma (present and past existence), positive thinking, and faith in God.

I've noticed when people do bad things, bad things happen to them. Sometimes, their children have to suffer for the action of their parents. However, we must work to overcome our hardships with our own efforts and a belief in God, or something bigger than us.
 
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Sandra Bachan wrote:I believe it comes down to Karma (present and past existence), positive thinking, and faith in God.

I've noticed when people do bad things, bad things happen to them. Sometimes, their children have to suffer for the action of their parents. However, we must work to overcome our hardships with our own efforts and a belief in God, or something bigger than us.


I have faith there is no God. What does that do for me?

I've noticed that when people do bad things, GOOD things ALSO happen to them. Similarly, when people do GOOD things, both good and bad things happen to them.

Why should my child have to suffer for my mistakes? What kind of jerk punishes an innocent child for something they had no control over? If that is what your 'god' does, he/she/it is a bully that I want nothing to do with.

WHY must I believe in something bigger than 'us'? Why is it such a bad thing that this, right here, is all there is? I have to do the right thing NOW. I have to be nice to people here and now, because if I screw it up, there is no second chance. I can't, at the last minute, say to some magic being "I'm sorry" and all is well. If I screw someone over, I have to make it right with them, here on this planet during my lifetime.

Why is that such a bad idea?

About the only thing i agree with is that I have to overcome my hardships with my own efforts - not by wishing for it, or praying, or hoping, but by working for it.

 
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Fred wrote:

I've noticed that when people do bad things, GOOD things ALSO happen to them. Similarly, when people do GOOD things, both good and bad things happen to them.

If I screw someone over, I have to make it right with them, here on this planet during my lifetime.

Why is that such a bad idea?

About the only thing i agree with is that I have to overcome my hardships with my own efforts - not by wishing for it, or praying, or hoping, but by working for it.



I don't know if you believe in karma or not. but your above statements can be interpreted as karma. The concept of karma is if you do something wrong to somebody, you have to repay it. Mathematically, you can say, if you do something wrong, bad = bad + 1 happen and same for good, good = good +1 if you do something good. and at the end of your life almighty(god) will make sure bad = 0.

Now let's say, by end of someone's life bad is still > 0 , then their children have to repay it in order to make bad = 0, I know this sounds odd but I think that's what Sandra(and me too) mean when she referred children.

I am a strong believer of karma, don't hurt others (take it in broad sense), work(karma) very hard and get success.
 
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It has been stated that with only an almost microscopic amount of faith that you can command a mountain to hurl itself into the sea and it will do so.

However, in the real world, most mountains have a darn sight lot more faith that they're just fine right where they are, thank you.

This simple observation has led to the practice of engineers augmenting their faith with high explosives and earth-moving equipment. Dynamite has a lot more faith than they do, so they just have to have faith in the dynamite.
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:

Sandra Bachan wrote:I believe it comes down to Karma (present and past existence), positive thinking, and faith in God.

I've noticed when people do bad things, bad things happen to them. Sometimes, their children have to suffer for the action of their parents. However, we must work to overcome our hardships with our own efforts and a belief in God, or something bigger than us.


I have faith there is no God. What does that do for me?

I've noticed that when people do bad things, GOOD things ALSO happen to them. Similarly, when people do GOOD things, both good and bad things happen to them.

Why should my child have to suffer for my mistakes? What kind of jerk punishes an innocent child for something they had no control over? If that is what your 'god' does, he/she/it is a bully that I want nothing to do with.

WHY must I believe in something bigger than 'us'? Why is it such a bad thing that this, right here, is all there is? I have to do the right thing NOW. I have to be nice to people here and now, because if I screw it up, there is no second chance. I can't, at the last minute, say to some magic being "I'm sorry" and all is well. If I screw someone over, I have to make it right with them, here on this planet during my lifetime.

Why is that such a bad idea?

About the only thing i agree with is that I have to overcome my hardships with my own efforts - not by wishing for it, or praying, or hoping, but by working for it.

In Ben Franklin's autobiography, he notes that as a young man he came to similar conclusions. He had no patience for preachers who would drone on and on about the Hereafter and wished they would just speak about earthly morality. However, he noticed a pattern that whenever he convinced a young colleage that God was NOT watching whatever he was doing to reward or punish him, that colleague soon degenerated into irresponsible and immoral behavior. So Franklin decided that maybe it would be best if he kept his religious skepticism to himself. (I guess he figured that anyone reading his autobiography -- America's first "Self-Improvement" book -- would not succomb to that.)
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:

Sandra Bachan wrote:I believe it comes down to Karma (present and past existence), positive thinking, and faith in God.

I've noticed when people do bad things, bad things happen to them. Sometimes, their children have to suffer for the action of their parents. However, we must work to overcome our hardships with our own efforts and a belief in God, or something bigger than us.


I have faith there is no God. What does that do for me?

I've noticed that when people do bad things, GOOD things ALSO happen to them. Similarly, when people do GOOD things, both good and bad things happen to them.

Why should my child have to suffer for my mistakes? What kind of jerk punishes an innocent child for something they had no control over? If that is what your 'god' does, he/she/it is a bully that I want nothing to do with.

WHY must I believe in something bigger than 'us'? Why is it such a bad thing that this, right here, is all there is? I have to do the right thing NOW. I have to be nice to people here and now, because if I screw it up, there is no second chance. I can't, at the last minute, say to some magic being "I'm sorry" and all is well. If I screw someone over, I have to make it right with them, here on this planet during my lifetime.

Why is that such a bad idea?

About the only thing i agree with is that I have to overcome my hardships with my own efforts - not by wishing for it, or praying, or hoping, but by working for it.




ok, you have a right to believe or not believe.

Another way I look at it is energy.

It has been scientifically proven that energy is neither created or destroyed.

Personally, I am speaking for myself, I notice when I encourage myself, think positive, eventually (there is no definite time frame) things start to work out for me. Along the way, I will encounter some obstacles. On the other hand I've noticed when I am in a rotten, crabby mood, it harnesses negative energy around me, and sometimes, things don't work so favorably for me. Again, its hard to say when any positive or negative energy will come back to "haunt" you.

When I think of God, or something much bigger than us, I think of energy. The same energy that created our universe.


I'm currently studying for a certification exam. Rather than get nervous I tell myself, "I'm doing the best I can, leave it to God". If I didn't believe in God, I'd probably say, "I'm doing the best I can, rest is up to the Universe, I'm a child of this Universe"


That's the best I can explain it.


Best wishes.
 
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Why should my child have to suffer for my mistakes? What kind of jerk punishes an innocent child for something they had no control over? If that is what your 'god' does, he/she/it is a bully that I want nothing to do with.





FYI: I've known people who have done wrong and when their children had problems in their lives, they would blame it on themselves, saying that "children suffer for the sins of their fathers", while still saying God is great. Other days, the parents would be angry at God.

Again, this is a personal story. You have a right to believe as you wish.
 
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Sandra Bachan wrote:Another way I look at it is energy.

It has been scientifically proven that energy is neither created or destroyed.

Personally, I am speaking for myself, I notice when I encourage myself, think positive, eventually (there is no definite time frame) things start to work out for me. Along the way, I will encounter some obstacles. On the other hand I've noticed when I am in a rotten, crabby mood, it harnesses negative energy around me, and sometimes, things don't work so favorably for me. Again, its hard to say when any positive or negative energy will come back to "haunt" you.


You are confusing the scientific, physical definition of "energy" with the popular, psychological, "new age" definition of "energy". What you think of as "negative energy" from people does not have anything with physical energy that's found in nature, what physicists understand when they mean "energy". So, when physicists say that energy is conserved, they are not talking about your psychological energy, and the conclusion that you draw about positive or negative energy coming back to you does not at all have anything to do with what scientists say when they talk about energy.
 
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