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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Do you deny that the terrorists very likely view the Spanish election as something they influenced and therefore as a victory for themselves and justification of their tactics?
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
If the "anti-terrorist party" mis-lead the country, the people should vote it out and install another party that has a better policy to fight terrorism.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Except that in this case the winning parties stated aims are perfectly in synch with the terrorists aims, that is retreating from Iraq. The effect of this is that their "better" policy to fight terrorism means easing up in the fight against terrorists and retreating into their own borders.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
The Spanish government had every reason to believe ETA was behind it...
ETA had until then been the ONLY terrorist organisation active in Spain (apart from recruitment and raising funds among north African (illegal) immigrants).
Bombs shortly before elections are one of their hallmarks.
The evidence presented was just too convenient to be seen as believable, and I still think it may have been planted in order to corrupt the elections.
(which probably was the true goal of the entire exercise and which worked like a charm)
Who planted the evidence I can't tell, was it the perpatrators or was it the winning political party (which would indicate they'd had knowledge of the attacks prior to them taking place)? Most likely it was the former of course, Spain isn't THAT much of a banana republic.
Given the attitude of apeasement of the Spanish socialists (or rather the attitude of European socialists in general to not act against terrorists but rather to silently condone their actions)
Speaking as a European and a socialist, I strongly refute the idea that European socialists condone terrorism. Terrorism is despicable, and I doubt that you could find more than 1% of the population of Europe (socialist or not) who condone it in any way . That is totally crazy, right-wing nonsense.
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
I would like to take that bet. You are saying that only 1% of Europeans support the Palestineans?
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
I would like to take that bet. You are saying that only 1% of Europeans support the Palestineans?
Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
Those Iraqis were not killing Americans and Al Quada was not there, when Sadam ruled.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Further, Iraq was a supporter and exporter of international terrorism, with many terrorists seeking shelter within its borders. Whether or not any of those groups were associated with al-Qaeda is irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:
Spain's public are victims, not criminals, IMHO.
-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Admitted. What factors influenced the attacks on 9/11 ?
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Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Admitted. What factors influenced the attacks on 9/11 ?
-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
1. If that was the case, why did not they attack comparatively easy targets - Madrid or London before 9/11? Equally western places.
2. If that was the case, why did not they attack comparatively easy targets - Madrid or London before 9/11? Equally free places.
3. If that was the case, why did not they attack comparatively easy targets - Madrid or London before 9/11? Equally Christian/secular places.
4. Could be.
5. Somthing else we don't know?
In short, those attacks on NYC were not a result of any kind of appeasement by the US, correct?
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Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
From herb slocomb ---------------------------
The mere presence of infidels in Saudi Arabia was one factor. Another was the close association of the Saudi royal family with the US. These are the motivations of OBL. Later, after the attacks, he mentioned the Palestinain issue, but we know that was simply propaganda.
Other background factors, such as the weak or non-existent US responces to years of terrorism, also encouraged the attacks.
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Herb,
Now can you be more clear and specific, please? The first two paragraphs is what you believe are the reasons, or are they just your assumptions about the reasons you thought I would come up with?
Originally posted by Joe King:
is as much a myth as the idea that Americans like to see Israelis kill Palestinians.
-Mumbai cha Bhau
-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Let's ask Paul McKenna: If Aznar had won those elections, would Al-queda have stopped hating US for its free western society?
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-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
Are you purposely trying not to understand? I'm not calling the Spaniards cowards, I'm saying that the election makes them appear to be bowing under the pressure of the terrorists. That sort of behavior will definitely make them more of a target.
The terrorists know we'll blow them up. They know the Spaniards won't. Who do you think a coward is more likely to attack?
Anyway, we're going over the same territory again and again. As usual, I'm amazed at the lack of common sense by otherwise intelligent people, but by this time I'm no longer surprised that it happens. Every common sense position I've ever proposed has always had at least one otherwise sensible person absolutely insisting that up is down. In this case, it is you.
We won't agree, so I'm done.
Joe
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
His posts in this thread consistently say that my position does not make sense.
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