Sharon, the man of peace

[Hussein O'Baghdadi]

Thank you Mr.Bush..
thank you for giving Sharon the green light to kill the human..
thank you for killing the peace at the middle east..
thank you for giving isreal the american weapons to kill us.
thank you for supporting isreal blindly..
I don't understand why america asked : Why they are hating us ?
do you want to know why ?
fine, because it supplies isreal blindly.
Terrorism, democracy the golden words in the american dictionary.
every one who don't agree with bush's policies is terrorist.
the victim is terrorist and sharon is the man of peace.
criminals by isrealian hands and american arms.
thank you again bush.
(as I know, iseal is a democracy country, and this is thier democracy....)

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:
Thank you Mr.Bush..
thank you for giving Sharon the green light to kill the human..
thank you for killing the peace at the middle east..
thank you for giving isreal the american weapons to kill us.
thank you for supporting isreal blindly..
I don't understand why america asked : Why they are hating us ?
do you want to know why ?
fine, because it supplies isreal blindly.
Terrorism, democracy the golden words in the american dictionary.
every one who don't agree with bush's policies is terrorist.
the victim is terrorist and sharon is the man of peace.
criminals by isrealian hands and american arms.
thank you again bush.
(as I know, iseal is a democracy country, and this is thier democracy....)

Who do we thank for the 3000 killed in the trade center and pentagon bombings.
Who does Spain thank for their killings.
Who does India thank for their killings.
Who does Isreal thank for their killings.
I guess we should thank those who support civilian killings where ever they happen. Because without them it wouldn't be possible. We should thank those who say that is terrible but...
As far as your post. What peace in the middle east are you talking about? Bush did not give a "green" light to anything. I guess the statements against this weren't good enough for you. I expect a post similar to this every time Isreali civilians are killed by homicide bombers.

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Isreali civilians are killed by homicide bombers.

What's a homidice bomber?

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by Bhayangara Mandan:

What's a homidice bomber?

Here is a list. This only includes Hamas and just since 2000.

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:
thank you for giving isreal the american weapons to kill us.
thank you for supporting isreal blindly..
I don't understand why america asked : Why they are hating us ?
do you want to know why ?
fine, because it supplies isreal blindly.

Pardon my ignorance, but is America the only country that manufactures weapons. If America withdrew it's support would it reduce the the Israeli armed forces to bearing knuckle dusters and switchblades?

That raises another question. Does the seller have a right to ask the buyer "what are you going to do with it" ?

[Resident Troll]

i have heard of suicide bombers and i've heard of homicidal maniacs but i ain't never heard of homicidal bombers. "homicide" is superfluous because a bomber is automatically homicidal, unless bombs are more commonly used against geese than people.

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by Bhayangara Mandan:

Pardon my ignorance, but is America the only country that manufactures weapons. If America withdrew it's support would it reduce the the Israeli armed forces to bearing knuckle dusters and switchblades?

That raises another question. Does the seller have a right to ask the buyer "what are you going to do with it" ?

So why are you not asking the arab world to withdraw support? Why no questioning of China, North Korea and Russia. What has the seller of bombs and bomb components asked of the Palestinians?

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by Bhayangara Mandan:
i have heard of suicide bombers and i've heard of homicidal maniacs but i ain't never heard of homicidal bombers. "homicide" is superfluous because a bomber is automatically homicidal, unless bombs are more commonly used against geese than people.

If they where "suicide" bombers they would just be killing themselves. They target civilians which is homicide.
You made the case for calling them homicide bombers though. Or are you wanting to call them homicidal maniacs?

[Jason Menard]

Realities Palestinians don't want to face
Until Palestinians renounce terror, President Bush rightly favors Israel

[Jim Yingst]

"Homicide bomber" is term that's appeared in the last couple years as a replacement for "suicide bomber". Not that the latter isn't still in use - it is, and it's still more common I believe. But some people feel that "suicide bomber" places too much emphasis on the fact that the bomber gave up his/her life, and not enough on the fact that they murdered others. Not unreasonable, IMO. I suppose a more correct term might be "murder/suicide bomber" but that also neems unnecessarily long and redundant.
"homicide" is superfluous because a bomber is automatically homicidal
Not automatically, but usually. It's possible for a bomber to target things like buildings or bridges instead, and to time the attack (or give a warning) so that the structure is (mostly) unoccupied. Of course casualties may still occur, and they'd still count as homicides. But the point of the term "homicide bombing" is to emphasise that the primary objective was to kill innocent people.
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
So why are you not asking the arab world to withdraw support? Why no questioning of China, North Korea and Russia. What has the seller of bombs and bomb components asked of the Palestinians?

A poster with an unpronounceable name does not automatically subscribe to a certain viewpoint. The question was addressed to Hussein Baghdadi.
I shall rephrase the question "Do you think Israel cannot survive without American support? If they can survive without American support what difference does it make if America supports them or not ?"
Israel has a well developed indigenous weapons industry. In fact other people buy weapons from Israel. So why is American support viewed as a critical factor ?
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Bhayangara Mandan ]

[Paul Stevens]

BMIf they can survive without American support what difference does it make if America supports them or not ?"
You answered your own question.

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
"Homicide bomber" is term that's appeared in the last couple years as a replacement for "suicide bomber". Not that the latter isn't still in use - it is, and it's still more common I believe. But some people feel that "suicide bomber" places too much emphasis on the fact that the bomber gave up his/her life, and not enough on the fact that they murdered others. Not unreasonable, IMO. I suppose a more correct term might be "murder/suicide bomber" but that also neems unnecessarily long and redundant.

I can understand the need to distance these people from the kamikaze image evoked by the word "suicide bomber" , however the word "homicide bomber" sounds awkward. I think "human bomb" is a more acceptable word.
While on th subject, I noticed that the phrase "bullet wound" (instead of "gunshot wound") has come into popular usage (particularly by the American media). I wonder how this little piece of Indish crept into the United States.
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Bhayangara Mandan ]

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
BMIf they can survive without American support what difference does it make if America supports them or not ?"
You answered your own question.

Rephrasing my question for the third time :
If American support is not critical , why do the Palestinians say America is responsible for this mess ?
The question should be answered by someone who thinks America is responsible for the actions of the Israelis . Why are you wasting everyone's time with these pointless messages ?
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Bhayangara Mandan ]

[Resident Troll]

As far as I know America has never provided Israel with direct military support. So why do they always blame America for Isreal's actions ? Is it because the US has a large and influential jewish community ? There is a sizable Irish community in the US. Some of the funding for the IRA originates in the United States. Does that mean you can blame America for the actions of the IRA ?

[Hussein O'Baghdadi]

Who do we thank for the 3000 killed in the trade center and pentagon bombings

Thank the CIA and the FBI for thier efforts to prevent these acts.

As far as I know America has never provided Israel with direct military support. So why do they always blame America for Isreal's actions

what about the F16 and apache ? are there from france ?

[Jim Yingst]

Thank the CIA and the FBI for thier efforts to prevent these acts.
Yeah, because we wouldn't want to plame the terrorists themselves. Nope, must be the US government at fault. :roll:

[Resident Troll]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:

what about the F16 and apache ? are there from france ?

They sell weapons to almost anyone who can pay for it so why take particular notice of US arms sales to Israel. Many countries puchase arms from Israel. Aren't they equally responsible ?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-krane.html
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Bhayangara Mandan ]

[John Smith]

Hussein: Thank the CIA and the FBI for thier efforts to prevent these acts.
Oh, I think I've seen it before here in MD: if you want to pay less taxes, try to earn less; if you want the US government to take your side, blame the CIA and the FBI for the 911 attacks; if you want to go to heaven, explode the buses full of babies.
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]

[Damien Howard]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:

Thank the CIA and the FBI for thier efforts to prevent these acts.

That is one of the most stupid things I've read on this site. If terrorists weren't targeting world trade center then the CIA and FBI would not need to try and prevent such attacks. By the logic that has been applied with your statement it seems that you should blame the palestinians for not stopping the Israelies rather than blaming the Israelies for attacking the Palestinians. (I don't think that, but just based on your logic that appears to be what you are saying.)

[Jim Yingst]

Let's try to avoid tossing "stupid" around in these conversations; people tend to take it personally, and respond in kind. (Even if you were attacking the argument rather than the person - people don't always read it that way.)
On an unrealated topic:
While on th subject, I noticed that the phrase "bullet wound" (instead of "gunshot wound") has come into popular usage (particularly by the American media). I wonder how this little piece of Indish crept into the United States.
It's Indish? Odd, I think "bullet wound" has been around in America about as long as bullets have. Both "bullet wound" and "gunshot wound" are commonly used, and pretty much interchangeable. Perhaps you originally noticed "gunshot wound" because it was less familiar to you, thus standing out, and only later noticed that we also use "bullet wound"?

[Warren Dew]

Originally posted by Bhayangara Mandan:
They sell weapons to almost anyone who can pay for it so why take particular notice of US arms sales to Israel.

Perhaps because the U.S. only sells weapons to people it considers allies, and not to anyone who can pay for it - for example, Taiwan is not able to get some of the weapons Israel gets (like the F-16 when it came out). Plus U.S. weapons sales are in general heavily subsidized - through government guaranteed loans and the fact that the U.S. military generally pays the development costs.

[Thomas Paul]

thank you for killing the peace at the middle east..
What peace? Arafat and Hamas killed the peace process when they spat in Bill Clinton's face 5 years ago.

[Hussein O'Baghdadi]

Yeah, because we wouldn't want to plame the terrorists themselves

read all the previous threads, I have always attacked al qaeda and bin laden and all the terrorists.
and please note, I don't have any thing against the americans but I have every thing against the adminstrations.

Nope, must be the US government at fault.

How many times america used the veto to support isreal ?

[Gregg Bolinger]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:

read all the previous threads, I have always attacked al qaeda and bin laden and all the terrorists. and please note, I don't have any thing against the americans but I have every thing against the adminstrations.

So, what, you got tired of blaming the people that are truly responsible so you have to find someone else to start blaming?

[Hussein O'Baghdadi]

So, what, you got tired of blaming the people that are truly responsible so you have to find someone else to start blaming?

No......

[Warren Dew]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
What peace? Arafat and Hamas killed the peace process when they spat in Bill Clinton's face 5 years ago.

What peace process? There hasn't been a real peace process with a cooperative attitude on either side since Yigal Amir assassinated Yitzhak Rabin.
If anyone wants to find someone to blame for 9/11 other than the terrorists, Yigal Amir is an excellent candidate.

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by Bhayangara Mandan:

Rephrasing my question for the third time :
If American support is not critical , why do the Palestinians say America is responsible for this mess ?
The question should be answered by someone who thinks America is responsible for the actions of the Israelis . Why are you wasting everyone's time with these pointless messages ?
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Bhayangara Mandan ]

You should realize that when you quote reply. The person you quote makes an assumption that you are replying to them and asking for a response from them. Don't be shocked and rude when they reply.
[ April 18, 2004: Message edited by: Paul Stevens ]

[Richard Hawkes]

Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:
Thank you Mr.Bush..
... yeah, and Sharon is a girl's name.

[Damien Howard]

Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Originally posted by Hussein Baghdadi:
[qb]Thank you Mr.Bush..
... yeah, and Sharon is a girl's name.[/QB]

So is Ariel - think Little Mermaid

[Joe King]

While on th subject, I noticed that the phrase "bullet wound" (instead of "gunshot wound") has come into popular usage (particularly by the American media). I wonder how this little piece of Indish crept into the United States.[/b]

Could it be because years ago some guns don't have to fire bullets (ie the ones that you can put nails, stones etc etc into)?
I don't think America's support for Israel is chiefly about weapons, its in the UN security council. America's veto of any resolution that is bad for Israel is a lot more supportive than selling a few planes (which Israel could just as easily buy from somewhere else).
[ April 19, 2004: Message edited by: Joe King ]