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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
I'm not a religious nutcase (which is how the pro-abortion people like to portray those who are against abortion) but I do hold the opinion (and strongly so) that except under very few exceptions abortion is wrong.
The woman (and man) involved should consider the possible consequences of their actions before setting out and live with them.
Exceptions are (they may be others, these come to mind as typical):
- rape (only when there has been a reported crime)
- medical necessity (the mother would not survive or be greatly handicapped because of the pregnancy or birth)
- foetus is found to be severely unhealthy (genetic disorders etc).
First is pregnancy caused by outside influences over which the woman has no control.
Second is pregnancy endangering the parent
Third is pregnancy causing the birth of a child that would never be a healthy human being
Just choosing to not use contraceptives because you can get an abortion anyway is a big nono to me.
I'm not a religious nutcase (which is how the pro-abortion people like to portray those who are against abortion)
Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
I'm not a religious nutcase (which is how the pro-abortion people like to portray those who are against abortion)
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
[QB]I also appreciate the tone of this thread thus far. Keep it up!
My opinion:
I am pro-life 100%. No special cases.
Rape - Not the babies fault. Kill the rapist instead.
Insest - Again, not the babies fault.
Medical Necessity - I would die for my children. Wouldn't you?
Genetic Disorders - Yeah, what Tom said.
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
"If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one".
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
The term "pro-choice" is often misunderstood, however. It's often taken to mean "pro-abortion," but that's not actually what it means. You can be pro-choice but personally feel that abortion is not a choice you'd make.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Abortion to me is not a moral issue; it's a medical procedure.
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Have a child where everyone is always asking you why didn;t you have an abortion. You'll get a really different picture of what's happening.Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
When it's in the papers or on the screen, it's easy to become polarized by what you're given to see and what you're told. But see it on the street for a while. You'll get a really different picture of what's happening.
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You mean like their beliefs that murder and rape are wrong? Don't you think all legislation is based on moral beliefs?Originally posted by Jeffrey Hunter:
One point I would make, now that I've snatched the floor for a moment, is that I'm thoroughly annoyed at the continual efforts of interested parties to impose their beliefs on society as a whole through legislation.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
You mean like their beliefs that murder and rape are wrong? Don't you think all legislation is based on moral beliefs?
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Just choosing to not use contraceptives because you can get an abortion anyway is a big nono to me.
Originally posted by Stefan Wagner:
You may not avoid abortions by law - you only may rule and influence it.
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Gregg says "Medical Necessity - I would die for my children. Wouldn't you?" My answer is "yes, I would." But should a 12-year-old girl not have the right to say "no, I wouldn't?" Should a woman in frail health not have that same right?
Insisting that abortion is wrong under any circumstances is equivalent to saying that the fetus has more rights than a 12-year-old girl raped by her stepfather, or a paraplegic woman raped by a health-care worker. It's explicitly choosing the fetus' life over the woman's life. On what basis does this make sense? What value scale does one use to make this judgement? The paraplegic woman has loved ones; the fetus does not.
But see it on the street for a while. You'll get a really different picture of what's happening.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I'm not saying the fetus has more rights but rather the same rights. If a 12 year old girl is raped by her stepfather and becomes pregant, tell me how killing the baby makes this better. Same for the paraplegic woman. Every effort should be made to salvage the life of both mother and child.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Put aside just for a moment your feelings on the matter, and tell me how our legal framework is supposed to integrate this view into its whole.
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Assuming for a second that this was true, do you really want to rate whether a person should be permitted to live based on the number of loved ones they have?Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
What value scale does one use to make this judgement? The paraplegic woman has loved ones; the fetus does not.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Assuming for a second that this was true, do you really want to rate whether a person should be permitted to live based on the number of loved ones they have?
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
I think that outlawing abortion right now is seen as taking away women's rights. But I think it's more about giving an inocent unborn child it's very own rights.
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Originally posted by Jeffrey Hunter:
You really think a woman should face the gas chamber for aborting a fetus by taking a black-market, morning-after pill because she could not do it legally and rather than raise a child in deplorable conditions, she chose to avoid the birth all-together?
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
The term "pro-choice" is often misunderstood, however. It's often taken to mean "pro-abortion," but that's not actually what it means.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
IMedical Necessity - I would die for my children. Wouldn't you?
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