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have serious implications for the world economy. I plan to eat less potatoes and more baked beans.
 
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Really not that good an idea, dietetically speaking. No culture in the world eats beans in great quantity. Great source of protein and naturally low in fat, of course, but also tasky on the digestive system.

Not being fully grounded in this area, I'm blindly guessing that using beans as a staple might in fact spur on ketosis, or getting the kidneys to accelerate processing of fat. So you get an Atkins effect of sorts.

My only real gripe with the Atkins plan is finding a medical subscriber plan where I don't have to subsidize all that congestive heart failure that's going to be coming down the pike. All protein, all the time. At least the wild-eyed gorging on oat bran in the 80's was mostly benign.
 
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People adhering to an Atkinst style diet actually suffer from LESS heart problems.
Cholesterol and other bloodfat levels come down together with weight.

Personally I rarely eat potatoes OR beans. I eat (and that rarely) rice and in the past pasta (which I completely abolished when I switched to a low-carb diet shortly before the craze began).

The effect on the world economy of me not eating potatoes may be what's causing the EU to reconsider their policy of agricultural subsidies but I somehow doubt the effect to be that large
 
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Originally posted by Mohanlal Karamchand:
have serious implications for the world economy. I plan to eat less potatoes and more baked beans.



While that is a comendable effort to help the world economy, it may not be quite so good for your local air quality
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
People adhering to an Atkinst style diet actually suffer from LESS heart problems. Cholesterol and other bloodfat levels come down together with weight.


People on the Atkins diet do NOT suffer from fewer heart problems. There's absolutely no conclusive data on that point, and there won't be for decades.

I'm sure those findings on Atkins stem from the same kind of data examination that says drinking red wine must be good for you. Proponents in the wine industry (just over the hill from me, and many from my alma mater, UC Davis) started punching that up after reading JAMA and other sources that wanted to know why the French suffered a lower rate of heart disease than the US. Well, their diets are about the same, so it must be the wine consumption! Sounds like the kind of commercially-motivated scientific inquiry one can expect from me old school.

What they didn't bother to point out was that the French diet had radically changed in the last 25 years only, including higher amounts of beef and starchy processed food we're so enamored of. So there isn't in fact enough data to conclude anything. Most dieticians on the wait-and-see side, however, are saying it's just a matter of time before the French kick over with pounds of unprocessed red meat in their intestines at roughly the same rate as us.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
People adhering to an Atkinst style diet actually suffer from LESS heart problems.
Cholesterol and other bloodfat levels come down together with weight.

Personally I rarely eat potatoes OR beans. I eat (and that rarely) rice and in the past pasta (which I completely abolished when I switched to a low-carb diet shortly before the craze began).



Apparently on Atkins the body cannibalises itself after a while feeding on muscle and Dr Atkins died from a degenerative heart disease. It's in Medical Journals but not the news. Apparently.

Mash a banana with broccoli and stick it in a jacket potatoe and then in the oven. Yummy tastes like Honey.-- An Ayurvedic recipe. Kids will love it and eat broccoli: Baked butternut squash on it's own is scrumptious.

Rejuvaslim sounds pretty holistic.
My sister starts a franchise (Reigate - Guildford area) as soon as she reaches her target weight and her scan shows up blue indicating that she is completely toxic free - at the moment it's a deep impenetrable black .Click on Case Study for Scans . The pink tinges indicate that parasites have set up home in the tract.

John Wayne died with 44 lbs of unprocessed red meat in his gut. Fasting and fruit are the best ways to detoxify the body.
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Helen Thomas:

Apparently on Atkins the body cannibalises itself after a while feeding on muscle and Dr Atkins died from a degenerative heart disease. It's in Medical Journals but not the news. Apparently.

Do you have a link for that?

All the sources I can find say that Atkins died from slipping on ice and hitting his head on the sidewalk at the age of 72. He had previously had a heart attack which he said was caused by viral cardiomyopathy, but he did not die from it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/

I believe the heart disease claim for the Atkins diet is not that it's so healthy per se, but that obese people who use it to lose weight will have reduced risk of heart disease because of the decreased weight.

I know one person who went on a strict Atkins diet; she lost 30 pounds in a couple of months. However, once she let up and started allowing complex carbohydrates into her diet again, she gained it all back pretty quick.
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The Fatkins Diet - http://www.highbeam.com/library/ Search on Atkins

That's just one link I found. Most medical experts don't approve of going on Atkins long term - It's ok if you need to lose a few pounds before a holiday.

As a healthy eating lifestyle it's not to be recommended.

There is this link :

Atkins was a svelte 200 ibs when injured but died obese at 258 Ibs.

This link is in favour of low carb diets but not the Atkins diet.
 
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yes, the anti-Atkins crowd is in full swing trying to protect their income stream.
After all, the low-fat high-carb diet foods are a multi-billion dollar industry and stand to loose a LOT if everyone realises that just eating fresh food in decent quantities instead of buying "light" burgers, beers, and softdrinks, "light" icecream and cerial, and all the other "diet" packaged foods will save you both money and help you loose weight (which is basically what Atkins tells if you read more than just the anti-Atkins propaganda).

Yes, following the strictest phase of the diet for prolonged periods is not good.
But Atkins doesn't say you should.
Rather it says do that phase for 2-3 weeks and then SLOWLY increase your carb intake to higher levels (though lower than the average high-carb low-fat diet).
I've been on Atkins for over a year now and I've never felt better. Need to loose some more weight so I think I'll go strict again for a while, but I can eat almost anything I want.
Just be careful not to eat large quantities of things like bread, pasta and beans (and of course very limited amounts of candy and softdrink, etc.).

The only diet supplements I purchase are some pills to increase my calcium intake, as I used to drink a lot of milk which I now forego (lots of sugar in milk).
 
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Its incredible how many diets there are out there. Everyone has got some mad combination of different vegetables and meats such as "Eat green vegetables every day apart from friday's when you must eat orange ones. As for meat, you can have three and a half animals a week, unless you substitute your morning glass of orange juice for a coke, in which case you can have an extra sausage on tuesdays.".

Blow that, its simple really - eat healthy stuff most of the time, and do some exercise. Now I may not be the slimmest person in the world (those London Pride's do add up), but I know that if I wanted to loose a bit, I would just need be to cut back on the beers a bit and do a bit more tennis. Maybe if people actually tried eating bananas more and burgers less, they may realise that dieting is a bit simpler than most of the harebrained schemes that are out there.

And no, I'm not at all stressed at getting stuck behind a large, slow moving person at London Bridge station this morning....
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

...to know why the French suffered a lower rate of heart disease than the US. Well, their diets are about the same...[ June 03, 2004: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]



The numbers might look the same but I know which country I would rather eat in..
 
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The numbers might look the same but I know which country I would rather eat in..



Yes, I'd take Prime Rib over boiled pig intestines any day
 
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On the Rejuvaslim recommends putting a bag of a vegetable against the cheek ,
stick an arm out palm facing downwards then get someone to press against the arm using the main index and middle finger. If the item is in balance with your body, however hard they try, they cannot force the arm down.

Potatoes and liquorice make my arm flop down offering no resistance at all so they are off the menu.

Sweet potatoes and squash are fine as are mangoes but not avocados. I've got a spongey liver it seems and I don't drink. Well, not much : 2 glasses of wine a month on average.

If anyone can explain this I'd be glad to hear it. The people administering the test cannot either. :roll: I think it's based on Ayurveda. Can the body feel what's placed against the cheek? I like potatoes. Not too keen on liquorice.

Pure Spanish organic Liquorice can turn strengthen some people in an amazing way turning them into iron men or women so it's included in the test. Holy Basil (Ocimum sanctum (Tulsi) leaves) can turn murderers into lambs getting rid of aggression.
Recomended when the kids get a bit too much. Or work.
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