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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
We already rely heavily on the Middle East for our oil so what do we do if the Middle East flips us a collective bird and refuses to sell us oil? What do we if we move all our programming to India and India closes down trade with us because we don't do something they want us to do?
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Resolved in how long? If there are no US programmers (or the pool becomes much smaller) then who makes the changes to the software while the pool of skilled programmers is redeveloped?Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Software programming on the other hand simply requires trained minds. If India, hypothetically, shuts down trade with US then all that US has to do is train another country or its own people and the problem is resolved.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Resolved in how long? If there are no US programmers (or the pool becomes much smaller) then who makes the changes to the software while the pool of skilled programmers is redeveloped?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I think it's a really bad idea that we will probably be forced into. The problem is that the more we rely on foreign countries the more we will rely on them doing what we want ...
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Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Wouldnt you then say that India is at a greater risk, simply because a very large percentage of its economy is tied to the US and any collapse in trade with the latter will ultimately collapse its own economy.
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But how many McDonald's cashiers does the country need?Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
For example, I strongly support government programs to retrain outsourced IT workers.
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
You can either spend 200 billion to help or spend 200 billion to kill. If we do the former, we make new friends and make ourselves safer. If we do the latter, we become an empire that everyone wants to rebel against.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
To some extent but I would suspect that once India's economy gets rolling it will become a consumer of it's own IT resources. And ultimately, the US is not the only source of IT jobs in the world.
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
We have such a hard time beating down Iraq. Can we do this to China or France or India?
You can either spend 200 billion to help or spend 200 billion to kill. If we do the former, we make new friends and make ourselves safer. If we do the latter, we become an empire that everyone wants to rebel against.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
True to an extent. The major reason we get oil from Iraq versus, say, Alaska is because it's cheaper and congress won't let Bush drill where he wants to in Alaska.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I remember seeing one of Kerry's campaign ads recently where it says something like "Kerry promises to reduce our reliance on Middle-Eastern oil". What I have heard (sorry no sources) is that this will not include further exploration (such as ANWR, like we need to do), nor revitalization of our domestic drilling capabilities. The truth is that we can be self-sufficient on oil if we really wanted to, but I guess it's still cheaper to rely on others, so we choose not to be self-sufficient. Honestly I'd rather pay more for fuel and have the increase in domestic jobs than I would pay another cent to the majority of OPEC nations. Hell, I'd rather help revitalize the Russian oil industry and buy oil from them than pay another cent to the majority of OPEC nations.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
True to an extent. The major reason we get oil from Iraq versus, say, Alaska is because it's cheaper and congress won't let Bush drill where he wants to in Alaska.![]()
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Faulty logic I'm afraid. Not everybody can be bribed. People don't see or care what we do to help them necessarily. We could pull our military out of the Middle East totaly, funnel all our aid to Arab and other Muslim nations, adopt policies that are 100% beneficial to that part of the world, and there would still be no shortage of people over there who want to kill us. There is nothing we can do to peacefully combat that idealogy.
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
And to deal with people like Bin laden, military is the only solution -- that is why few people are against the afgan war.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Between this post and thie previous one, don't you think we're laying the rhetoric on just a tad thick? I've got some rhetoric of my own, but mine leans in the direction most apt to be censored.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Between this post and the previous one, don't you think we're laying the rhetoric on just a tad thick? I've got some nice rhetoric of my own, but mine leans in the direction most apt to be censored.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Faulty logic I'm afraid. Not everybody can be bribed.
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
One point the book makes is that we seem to be ignoring history. What history shows, over and over again, is that empire building is slow and expensive
So, whenever the Bush 'folks' give us an update, they sound a lot like a software development manager... "well, we're making progress but it's taking a lot longer than we thought, and we're gonna need a lot more money..."
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