Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I wonder if Moore has a fan club where all his fans from all over the world can get together and discuss all that they have in common?
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
One could try a theater, but usually patrons aren't allowed to bring in their own drinks, food, or explosives.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
So Moore knew about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners before it was public knowledge but said nothing. I guess he didn't want it to come out before his movie did.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
So Moore knew about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners before it was public knowledge but said nothing. I guess he didn't want it to come out before his movie did.
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:
Actually, they started an investigation last year, long before the photos became public - otherwise we would not have had court martial convictions so quickly. ... ... faked it like that British tabloid did. Of those two options, the latter seems far more likely to me.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
MY: That just seems far more likely to me
Based on what?
MY: But is he worse than people who fake stuff in order to go to war in the first place?
I'm not sure baseless rhetoric is productive. The only allegations are that the intelligence information was flawed. I doubt many people in the know believe for a minute that it was fabricated, particularly since France, the UN, Russia, Germany, and every other Western nation had the same intel, ...
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
MY: The ungrateful Iraqi mobs are better placed under Saddam's harsh rule -- they do not want freedom and probably will not get it in the end.
While I do not agree with anything else you said in your post, on this point we can agree. My caveat would be to ensure a free Kurdistan in the northern part of Iraq. They are a civilized and well-educated people up there and are quite capable and deserving of peacefully running their own country.
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
To be frank, I am as surprised as you are when they say that they cannot find the WMD. After all, Saddam *used* them before.
The ungrateful Iraqi mobs are better placed under Saddam's harsh rule -- they do not want freedom and probably will not get it in the end.
Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
that is that the Kurds are NOT peaceful people at all. They'd almost immediately start a campaign to conquer the Kurdish parts of Iran and Turkey, where live their kinsmen. Especially the PKK in Turkey have been extremely violent for a long time, only quieting down a bit in recent years because of the massive military presence of foreign forces in the area for operations in Iraq (they wouldn't want to be seen as agressors just when the entire European press thinks they're friendly guys just protecting their way of life against the tyrannical Turks (why you need to murder entire villages to protect your way of life is beyond me)).
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, in comments sure to help President Bush, declared Friday that Russia knew Iraq's Saddam Hussein had planned terror attacks on U.S. soil and had warned Washington.
Putin said Russian intelligence had been told on several occasions that Saddam's special forces were preparing to attack U.S. targets inside and outside the United States.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received information that the official services of the Saddam regime were preparing 'terrorist acts' on the United States and beyond its borders," he told reporters.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Regarding the abuse of Iraqi prisoners...For Americans, is the greatest shock due to:
A) That we would abuse Iraqi prisoners in the first place
B) That we were stupid enough to get caught
C) Sympathy for those who were abused
In talking to people and watching and reading the news, I hear a lot of A and B. As far as C goes, not only do I hear that type of response often, I often hear quite the opposite.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
And on yet another topic... Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
And on yet another topic... Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Although I wouldn't be surprised if the thought is that Putin is making this up for some reason in order bolster Bush. If that's the case, Putin must be very scared of what a Kerry White House would mean to the war on terror, which Russia has a deeply vested interest in.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
defuse some of the s*storm that Moore's film might generate.
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Legendary SF author Ray Bradbury told the Associated Press that filmmaker Michael Moore called him to say he was "embarrassed" after Bradbury complained that Moore's upcoming political documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 improperly co-opted the title of Bradbury's classic SF novel Fahrenheit 451. Bradbury is demanding an apology from Moore and wants the new documentary to be renamed.
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Bradbury said he would rather avoid litigation and is "hoping to settle this as two gentlemen, if he'll shake hands with me and give me back my book and title."
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"The 'no Saddam link' story is getting so much play because it fits the broader anti-war, anti-Bush narrative that Iraq was a 'distraction' from the broader war on terror. So once again the 9/11 Commission is being used to tarnish the Iraqi effort and damage President Bush's credibility in fighting terror."
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Anti-Bush zealots are hurting the fight against terror by misleading Americans about what's actually happening. That puts all of our lives in danger.
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In a CIA letter to the Select Committee on Intelligence dated October 9, 2002, then CIA Chief George Tenet writes, "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade...We have credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities."
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Now we have posted that entire CIA letter on billoreilly.com if you want to read it. Also, just today, Russian President Putin said he himself gave the Bush administration intelligence, after 9/11, that Saddam was preparing to launch terror attacks inside the USA. That report comes from the Associated Press.
Now all of this information "Talking Points" is giving you is solid. It is fact, not opinion. President Bush was told by the CIA and foreign intelligence outfits that there was immediate danger to America. But those facts will not matter to the anti-Bush fanatics, who put partisan politics ahead of both truth and national security.
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