Happy Independence day !!!

[Varun Khanna]

Wishing all the Indian ranchers Happy Independence day, in advance.

 
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[ August 13, 2004: Message edited by: K Varun ]

[Joe King]

Much as it may be ironic for a Brit to say it to an Indian, Happy Independence day!

Some people in the UK ramble on about the "good ol' days when we had the Empire", but I honestly think that giving the various parts of the Empire independence was the best possible thing we could do. I would far rather that the UK and India had a partnership as friends than as ruler and ruled. Being able to become friends with each other is a great achievement for any ex-colony and ex-coloniser. For that reason I think we in the UK should be celebrating the various Independence Days of the colonies that were given their independence and that we are now good friends with almost as much as they do.

Sorry if this has got overly political - if it has, then feel free to delete the rest, but leave the best bit - "Happy Independence day"

[Pradeep bhatt]

Varun

Why did u wish 2 days in advance?

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Varun

Why did u wish 2 days in advance?

because 15th Aug will be on Sunday and that day he wont be coming to office

AW happy ID

[Jeroen Wenting]

admit you just want another 100 bank holidays Joe

[Leena Diwan]

Hey Happy Independence Day!!

Varun, I liked the map of India posted in its flag colours! Very nice!

Joe I really appreciate you posting such a reply.

Yours is not the generation which gave us pain and suffering. Ours is not the one which felt the heat. Do not know if this generation has the right to forgive.

When I was coming to UK I met 90 year old my gradma. She was the one who stayed in the dense jungle with seven kids and a rifle, doing risky jobs when asked to. Grandpa used to be on some mission always. No family life. No gaurantee of life - of her own, of her loved ones. We grow up listening to the tales of her and my grandpa's and all their friend's heroics. It really used to leave my throat dry.

I hesitantly told her I was going to UK. She said, "Good! Take me along with you!"
She waited for a sec and asked, "Will you eat chicken when u go there?"
I said, "um.. I eat it here also"
And then she broke into a big laughter!

She passed away 20 days before. With out this conversation, I really would have felt guilty to have come and stay here.

If she was cool about it, I did not have a good reason (and right) to hold any grudge.

Thanks for celebrating Independence Day with us!

Regards,
Leena

[Varun Khanna]

Originally posted by R K Singh:

because 15th Aug will be on Sunday and that day he wont be coming to office

and the same applies to Saturnday, 14th of August

[Helen Thomas]

Happy Independence Day !

1957 wasn't it, the first Day of Independence. And there have been lots of achievements since. Perhaps other things not to be so proud of but I can't think of any at the moment.

Nice map-flag and nice post,Joe King.

Happy Independence Day !

[Pradeep bhatt]

1957 wasn't it, the first Day of Independence.

It was 1947 for India. :roll:

57 years has passed and no progress.

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
admit you just want another 100 bank holidays Joe

Damn, you're rumbled by evil plan! I was hoping that we could, in the spirit of togetherness, celebrate the independence day of every country out there... that should give us a nice amount of holidays.

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Leena Diwan:

If she was cool about it, I did not have a good reason (and right) to hold any grudge.

An interesting story. I had an almost opposite version of the situation happen. I went on holiday to The Gambia a few years ago. While there I kept looking at the people there and thinking "Why don't they hate me? My ancestors enslaved theirs". Instead they were incredibly friendly. I thought about it a bit more and felt a bit silly - they obviously bore no grudges. To them it was something that happened a long time ago, and we are friends again now.

Sometimes I think that we can become to pre-occupied in the wrongs of the past, in that we keep a grudge/guilt for too long. This is not to say that we should forget the past - there are important lessons that need to be learnt. We should, for example, never forget the awful causes of WWII, but at the same time we must accept that the average person from a "guilty" country is not guilty at all this long after the event - many of them were not even there at the time.

By feeling anger at a person because of what their ancestors did, or feeling guilty for something that our ancestors did (or visa versa of course), we fall into the trap of grouping people together by country. When we do this we are linking people now with people then - making a connection between people that may never have met let alone shared the same ideals.

Luckily we seem to be getting over this. Maybe one day we'll realise that we're all from the same place anyway. Someone once said that "the future is a foreign country". Well perhaps the past is too, and therefore the present is a country - a single country that we all live in together.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by K Varun:


and the same applies to Saturnday, 14th of August

..but I work during week ends.

[Leena Diwan]

And holidays on week days?

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Leena Diwan:
And holidays on week days?

.. and get a Pink slip?

[Leena Diwan]

Keep working!
Pradeep are you the ones mentioned by Kathey and Bert in the Head First EJB? Are you from Maharashtra?

Joe, see, classifications are not only restricted to country level!!

Regards,
Leena

[Helen Thomas]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


It was 1947 for India. :roll:

All those years studying history.. (sigh)

57 years has passed and no progress.

It depends on the definition of progress. Does the sun make any progress across the sky ?

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
It was 1947 for India. :roll:

57 years has passed and no progress.

What is the definition of progress.

Progress is like adulthood which you achieve a night before you become 18 yrs old

[Kishore Dandu]

wish me too(since I am born on indian independence day)
[ August 13, 2004: Message edited by: Kishore Dandu ]

[Axel Janssen]

happy independence day to India and happy birthday to Kishore Dandu.

May sound silly and pathetic, but watching this scene from Gandhy movie, when Indian protestors march to salt factory one after another, coshed down by police, for stupid me is one of the strongest movie scenes. I start to cry like a little boy.
[ August 13, 2004: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]

[Pradeep bhatt]

Pradeep are you the ones mentioned by Kathey and Bert in the Head First EJB? Are you from Maharashtra?

Yes I am. I am from Karnataka.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Prrogress -
Gradual improvement or growth or development

There is only '-'ve progress.

[Arjun Shastry]

Belated Happy Independence day to all Ecuadorians (9th Aug)
Happy Independence Day to all Pakistanis today.
Happy Independence Day to all Indians tomorrow.

[basha khan]

wish me too(since I am born on indian independence day)

Happy Birthday to YOU!!!.

Mahatma Gandhi Keeeee jay

Wish you all a happy INDEPENDENCE day ..CELEBRATE!!

[Mapraputa Is]

Happy Independence Day to all Indians and all Brits.

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Happy Independence Day to all Indians and all Brits.

I'm not sure when Brits should celebrate an Independence day - we haven't really got one. I suppose some point in the 5th centaury when the Romans left is a possible choice. Even then there was no such country as "Britain" or even "England". We just seemed to evolve out of a big mess, a bit like mushrooms.

[Mapraputa Is]

JK: I'm not sure when Brits should celebrate an Independence day - we haven't really got one.

Some years ago Russia got an Independence day too. Since then, the Russian population is perplexed: independence from whom??? Cynics said that Yeltsyn simply wanted yet another reason to drink badly. Looks like truth.

[Avi Nash]

Originally posted by K Varun:
[QB]Wishing all the Indian ranchers Happy Independence day, in advance.

Belated wishes to all of u.

Actually, my native place and the surrounding few places got independence in 1948, September 17.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/09/17/stories/0417210l.htm

[Avi Nash]

Originally posted by Avi Nash:

Originally posted by K Varun:
Wishing all the Indian ranchers Happy Independence day, in advance.

Belated wishes to all of u.

Actually, my native place and the surrounding few places got independence in 1948, September 17.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/09/17/stories/0417210l.htm[/QB]

[Jeroen Wenting]

Originally posted by Joe King:


An interesting story. I had an almost opposite version of the situation happen. I went on holiday to The Gambia a few years ago. While there I kept looking at the people there and thinking "Why don't they hate me? My ancestors enslaved theirs". Instead they were incredibly friendly. I thought about it a bit more and felt a bit silly - they obviously bore no grudges. To them it was something that happened a long time ago, and we are friends again now.

Sometimes I think that we can become to pre-occupied in the wrongs of the past, in that we keep a grudge/guilt for too long. This is not to say that we should forget the past - there are important lessons that need to be learnt. We should, for example, never forget the awful causes of WWII, but at the same time we must accept that the average person from a "guilty" country is not guilty at all this long after the event - many of them were not even there at the time.

[post about the positive aspects of slavery deleted-MH]
[ August 17, 2004: Message edited by: Max Habibi ]

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Since then, the Russian population is perplexed: independence from whom???

From the Golden Horde?!

Wikipedia seems to think that Russia has two independence days... how confusing....

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

In Africa an added factor is that most of the people sold into slavery were NOT "hunted down" by the colonial rulers but were rather sold by their own village chiefs,

Yeah. A few years after going to Gambia I made friends with a Gambian, and told him about when I went there. He said a similar thing - that the chances are that the ancestors of the present day Gambians were the ones who sold the slaves in the first place.

A couple of months ago I saw in the news that some African-Americas were thinking about suing an English bank because of its role in the slave trade. Some one responded by saying that many African-Americans now live in a better life style than African-Africans. Perhaps this shows that the arguments are not as straight forward as they seem.

This got me thinking "well some of my ancestors were probably Roman slaves". I wonder if there are any people on the planet who do not have an ancestor who was a slave? Goes to show how unsociable we humans can be to each other!
[ August 17, 2004: Message edited by: Joe King ]

[Mapraputa Is]

JK: Wikipedia seems to think that Russia has two independence days... how confusing....

From Wikipedia article:
Independence Dates

Russia Day: June 12, 1990
Finalized: December 26, 1991

I didn't even remember what December 26, 1991 symbolized, but Wikipedia explained it also: "Supreme Soviet meets and formally dissolves the USSR".

The holyday is June 12.

[Joe King]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

From Wikipedia article:
Independence Dates

Russia Day: June 12, 1990
Finalized: December 26, 1991

I didn't even remember what December 26, 1991 symbolized, but Wikipedia explained it also: "Supreme Soviet meets and formally dissolves the USSR".

The holyday is June 12.

Perhaps the best thing would be to have a holiday on both the 12/6 and 26/12. In fact, to be on the safe side, it may be best to have a holiday on every day in between the two... just to make sure that you get the right day in there somewhere