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Which takes longer: a level 1 diagnostic or a level 3 diagnostic?
 
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Smaller numbers take longer. A level 4 or 5 is totally automated and takes seconds at most. Levels 2 and 3 involve an operator and may involve (gasp!) physially walking to a remote console to run the diagnostic.

A level 1, though, means physically ripping stuff apart and going in there with your little laser soldering gun doohickey and the Tektronix cartridge for your tricorder. Engineers don't like to do those.
 
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Ernest, you are such a friggin' geek!

Your daughter is going to be soooo embarrased by you when she is a teenager!
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I am a geek, but in this case I was just showing off for the boss. I actually just Googled it.
 
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Smaller numbers take longer. A level 4 or 5 is totally automated and takes seconds at most. Levels 2 and 3 involve an operator and may involve (gasp!) physially walking to a remote console to run the diagnostic.

A level 1, though, means physically ripping stuff apart and going in there with your little laser soldering gun doohickey and the Tektronix cartridge for your tricorder. Engineers don't like to do those.



I am surprise there is only level that involve hardware. You would think there is a big difference between problems that require replacing a complete system versus a single iso-linear optical chip.

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Don't forget your sonic screwdriver. No quantum mechanic should be without one!
 
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which raises the issue of what happens when you need a higher level diagnostic. Will it like Thermodynamics, where you have a Zeroth Law? (or in this case Level Zero Diagnostic)

Is the opposite true for force fields and containment fields? I thought a Level 10 containment field was more restrictive than a Level 1.
 
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[EFH]: I am a geek, but in this case I was just showing off for the boss. I actually just Googled it.

EFH is a level 4 geek. A level 3 geek would know that Google is an option of course, but would not trust in the veracity of random internet sites, instead looking up the result in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual. A level 2 geek, of course, would've had the info memorized. A level 1 geek would have the info memorized, but would also be able to cite exactly which episodes contradicted the info in the tech manual

I'm only a level 3 geek, myself. After a bit more searching I found that the relevant section of the tech manual is online (without direct attribution) right here. Knowing Paul he will probably be interested to note the typical times required for each diagnostic level. The most important thing about a level 1 is that it often involves the tested component being offline for several hours. Do not order a level 1 diagnostic of the deflector array during a battle.

[Henry]: I am surprise there is only level that involve hardware.

At least some non-automated verification (poking around in the hardward) is required for levels 1-3. And the hardware is presumably being excercised at levels 4 and 5 as well - but only through automated tests. If Moriarty has taken over the ship's computer, you probably need at least level 3 to detect that the systems have been compromised.

[DOM]: which raises the issue of what happens when you need a higher level diagnostic. Will it like Thermodynamics, where you have a Zeroth Law? (or in this case Level Zero Diagnostic)

Well since level one involved complete physical disassembly of the system, I suppose for zeroth level you could just vaporize it with a phaser. The nice thing about this procedure is that afterward, you know exactly what's wrong with the system.

Is the opposite true for force fields and containment fields? I thought a Level 10 containment field was more restrictive than a Level 1.

Yep.
 
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Ah, forget about your theories!

That thing's headed straight for the heart of our galaxy! What are you gonna do about it!?
 
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
which raises the issue of what happens when you need a higher level diagnostic. Will it like Thermodynamics, where you have a Zeroth Law? (or in this case Level Zero Diagnostic)

Is the opposite true for force fields and containment fields? I thought a Level 10 containment field was more restrictive than a Level 1.



The tasks to be performed at each level would be prescribed in tech manuals. For a lvl 1 that would be everything possible so nothing higher can exist

For forcefields I'd guess the level of the field bears a mathematical relation to its strength as related to that of the weakest field that can be generated (whether linear, quadratic or logarithmic I don't know) and as such there would likely be no theoretical upper limit (the realistic limit being the amount of power the equipment can channel and pull from the ship systems).
 
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I'd guess logarithmic. It always seems like the jump from 9 to 10 is huge, 11 being almost unthinkable.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Which takes longer: a level 1 diagnostic or a level 3 diagnostic?



I wouldnt really know, I just ask the pale skinned android to do it and away he goes and does his thing.
 
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Heres another question:

Do you really think Kirk would lower himself to ask the Enterprise's computer to run a level xxx diagnostic?

Of course not, he'd bawl Scotty out first and then chase some scantily clad green skinned woman around the Bridge.

Another reason why Jean Luc Picard is a bit of a wimp.
 
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:
Heres another question:

Do you really think Kirk would lower himself to ask the Enterprise's computer to run a level xxx diagnostic?

Of course not, he'd bawl Scotty out first and then chase some scantily clad green skinned woman around the Bridge.

Another reason why Jean Luc Picard is a bit of a wimp.



I guess Starfleet had cutbacks and staff awareness programs about sexual and racial improprieties the same way companies had them in the 1980s
 
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