Didnt want to hijack the "Living with My Mum" thread...
Originally posted by Marc Peabody: Ever think about going back to college? It's cheap housing and there are lots of girls. But is it worth the boku student loans?
This year Universities in Australia have increased course fees by 25%. The costs of attending uni have risen so much that applications for places have fallen for 2 years in a row and the rate of decline seems to be increasing. Some commentators suggest that with the likely average HECS debt (Higher Education Contribution Scheme - a.k.a 'student loan') approaching $50K and some courses possibly costing as much as $100K that we are returning to the days of education only being available to the rich. (As I understand it this seems to be occuring in UK too with educational costs rising dramatically)
One interesting effect of this is that the ONLY courses that attract any students now are ones with a vocational focus - Since the only people likely to want to study are those who are *required* to have a related degree to get into their chosen career.So subject like I.T, Law, Accountancy, Medicine etc etc are being studied and not the general subjects such as Maths, History, Literature, Classics etc etc.
As a "card carrying member" of the "Useless degree" club (B.A. joint hons Politics & Music) I think this is a terrible shame and long term will result in a loss of culture for us all and a narrowing of societies understanding of the world.
When I studied there were very few students who had the faintest idea what they wanted to do for a career and most were studying broad based subjects. The suggestion was that a broad and widened understanding of the world will help in any walk of life and that specific skills and knowledge for any career can be easily picked up along the way. Major employers in UK even expressed a preferrence for non-vocational graduates since they didnt come along with pre-concieved ideas about how to do things and were more easily "moulded" into the desired corporate citizens.
Anybody else lament the demise of the non-vocational undergrad? Or am I alone?
I went to a liberal arts college, which typically require students to take a broad range of classes, including the one or two basic intro courses from each department.
Unfortunately, liberal arts colleges don't get the full respect they deserve (Dilbert's boss graduated from one, for example). I never get to wow employers with the name of my college but I am always prepared with a clear explanation of my college choice with no apologies. My pitch is very similar to your position on the ideal education and so I appreciate your laments. Thank you.
Quite contrary to education being only for the rich what we see here in the Netherlands is that more and more only the poor can afford it. After all they get massive grants to provide "equal opportunities" which the rich(er) (before taxes that is) have to pay for.
As an example, me and my sister got the absolute minimum education grant given to students (every student here gets an allowance per month dependent on parental income, the rest can be loaned above an amount the parents are supposed to provide for). Both of us went to university, something not taken into account when calculating the financial burden placed on the parents. Now my parents could well shoulder that for 2 kids, but 3 would have been stretching it severely. I do know of families where at some point the parents have to choose which of their children to give an education because they cannot pay to get them all through university... This happens only in families with an above-average income.
Originally posted by Adrian Wallace: Would the moderator who decided to delete the discussion between Frank and Myself about the content of Arts degrees and motivations of academic staff like to explain why the conversation was removed?
It was reasonably relevant to the topic, contained little that would be offensive and had no personaly directed criticism. I dont understand??
Maybe the bartender has a penchant for "chunky sweaters", I actually like them myself, especially when the temperature hits -25C.