There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
Originally posted by Roger Nelson:
Yes, there are some research that implies students tends to show improved performance in academics if its a single sex school.
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
The same could apply to schools which focus on other groups in society - a school for just one religion, or just one wealth grouping, or just one nationality could also give their students an incomplete set of social skills, leaving them unable to deal with people from other groups. Given the problems which commonly crop up in society due to people not understanding each other's religion, social grouping, nationality and so on, this is not a good thing.
Originally posted by Roger Nelson:
It similarly applies to kids who study in rich schools, who may then rarely
interact with the poor. But I guess one would not like to trade quality education for having a class with students from different groups.
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
Schools don't formally teach socialization -- they just sort of let it happen. This suggests to me that one could learn socialization just as well outside of school.
So one might as well choose the school which maximizes educational achievement (i.e., single-sex), and make use of less expensive venues to learn socialization.
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
In America the problem is that school children spend far too much time socializing and not nearly enough time studying. (That's why most American high school students cannot find Europe on the globe. It's not a disregard for Europe, per se. They cannot find Maine or California, either. But foreign high-schoolers should not feel superior for all that -- American high school students get more dates.)Originally posted by Dave Lenton: I see what you're getting at - that school should be about education and then the rest can come somewhere else. While this a nice idea, it may be hard for some people. For some kids, the majority of their waking hours are spent in school, and its probably here (whether or not the parents want it to be) that they form their ideas about social interaction. After school clubs and activities will help, but they won't stop school being a massive influence on a child's social ability.
Having more than a few Asperger traits, I would have greatly benefitted from explicit instruction in social skills -- but what I needed would have been a waste of time for normal kids. I can identify with comedian Emo Philips' rant about women:Dave Lenton: Maybe it would be a good idea if schools helped teach some social skills, but I'm not sure how they could do this.... but then again I'm not sure how anyone could teach it.
I agree that its a bit tricky to teach someone social skills, especially in some kind of structured format. Perhaps it doesn't need to be a simplistic how-to-communicate type lesson, but rather it could be encouraged through the normal lessons which the kids do. By having lessons involving the children doing group work/activities, they will start to pick up skills in co-ordinating, team work, communication and so on. Also, as its happening within the learning environment it can be monitored for bad behaviour etc.Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
In America the problem is that school children spend far too much time socializing and not nearly enough time studying.
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But this sort of training is very expensive; the supply of capable teachers very limited.
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Likewise, if you want your kids to learn to socialize with kids other than those they meet in school, just enroll them an activity that mixes them together.
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
I think it's called "Little League [Baseball|Football|Basketball|Soccer]" and "[Boy|Girl] Scouts".Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
I agree that its a bit tricky to teach someone social skills, especially in some kind of structured format. Perhaps it doesn't need to be a simplistic how-to-communicate type lesson, but rather it could be encouraged through the normal lessons which the kids do. By having lessons involving the children doing group work/activities, they will start to pick up skills in co-ordinating, team work, communication and so on. Also, as its happening within the learning environment it can be monitored for bad behaviour etc.
My suggestions should be within the financial reach of all but the destitute. (Certainly, the cost shouldn't be a problem for anyone living under a Social Democratic goverment.)Another advantage of encouraging schools to help with the social side of life is that it doesn't disadvantage kids whose parents are too poor to send them to after-school activities.
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
I think it's called "Little League [Baseball|Football|Basketball|Soccer]" and "[Boy|Girl] Scouts".
For coed socialization you can provide afterschool classes in ballroom dancing.
My suggestions should be within the financial reach of all but the destitute. (Certainly, the cost shouldn't be a problem for anyone living under a Social Democratic goverment.)
Depends what the activity involves. Like I said above, some (not enough) schools are now being used for after school activities. In these cases its often not teachers who are monitoring and running the events.
In any case, school is not free -- someone must pay for it. And I suspect that a one-hour after-school activity costs a lot less than a one-hour in-school activity. (For one thing, you need neither state-certified teachers nor oversight by education-system bureaucrats.)
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
Instead of making trouble, why can't they socialize while hanging around? That's what _most_ people do while off from work. They could help each other with their math homework.Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
Ideally the parents would pay, but in some areas they can't afford to, and in these cases maybe its a good thing that the government pays - it benefits the rest of us to have the kids learning useful stuff instead of hanging around making trouble of themselves.
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
Instead of making trouble, why can't they socialize while hanging around? That's what _most_ people do while off from work. They could help each other with their math homework.
Yeah, that's a whole other thread.... (I do think there's a crossover)Let's not confuse education with control of criminals.
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
In that case, the obvious answer is CHURCH YOUTH GROUPS! Isn't there a vicar in your part of town?Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
The problem in the part of London where I live is that there isn't many places for teenagers to go to socialise. They're too young to go for a drink in a pub, there aren't enough youth club type things, they can't afford to go to the cinema, and most of the time the weather is too bad for sitting in a park. Instead they hang around shopping centres getting bored, and then eventually end up doing something stupid.
One of the reasons that the government are trying to keep schools open into the evenings is to give these teenagers somewhere to hang around and socialise, but not enough schools are doing it at the moment.... and besides, hanging around in school isn't cool so is hard to convince the kids to do it.
There are a few churches, but I don't think this is the answer. Near to where I live, most the churches are frequented by just one part of the community (mainly those whose parents are from Africa or the Caribbean), and it doesn't seem that people from other communities attend them.Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
In that case, the obvious answer is CHURCH YOUTH GROUPS! Isn't there a vicar in your part of town?
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There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
Well, I'll say this. I know some guys that went to an all-guys school, and they are much better at picking up women than I am. But, then again, it isn't difficult to be better than me.
Mark
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
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