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Saturnalia Version 3

 
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The Romans called it Saturnalia.

The Christians christened it Christmas.

Today we are into version 3??


Happy Saturnalia! Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! Hm?
 
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I am not sure, but I guess we call Natal to the Christmas (I can be wrong).

But there is a festival of Christianity that we called as Natal here (Gujarat / India).

Can anybody throw some light?
 
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Check this.
 
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Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
I am not sure, but I guess we call Natal to the Christmas (I can be wrong).

But there is a festival of Christianity that we called as Natal here (Gujarat / India).

Can anybody throw some light?



I have some light I can throw: Natal/Nativity/Navidad all refer to the birth of Jesus, all these words originating from the Latin word for "birth."

This term I imagine persists in catholic countries, implanted in western India by the Portuguese.
 
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Thanks Stuart
 
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In my first posting in this thread, I was actually trying to draw the attention of coranchers into the recent trend of replacing the greeting "Merry Christmas" with "Season's Greetings." Comments.
 
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Well, the ancient Celts had a mid-winter festival known as Yule, and there was another time-of-Christ cult (Mithrasism) which had a celebration of the birth of their "son of god" on December 25th. It would seem that the winter solstice celebrations are a common ocurrance -- although, interestingly enough, I cannot find any corresponding celebration in southern hemisphere cultures. Perhaps a few of our freinds in the South (Australia, South Africa, etc.) could provide enlightenment as to whether there are native celebrations around June 21st.

Interestingly enough, while (at least in the States) the Solstice marks the beginning of winter, in other cultures it marks the middle of winter (a desgination that makes more sense to me). Winter generally starts around the end of October/beginning of November and ends around the end of January/beginning of February. The ancient Celtic calendar had celebrations at these times -- Samhain (SAW - en) on October 31st and Beltaine on February 2nd. Note that these surive today as Halloween and Groundhog Day.

I personaly have no problems with "Seasons Greetings." Although if somebody wished me "Happy Hannukah" or "Happy Kwanzaa" or even "Welcome, Yule!" I would not take offense. Wish me whatever is appropriate to you, since if you don't celebrate Christmas you're not really concerned with whether I have a happy Christmas (except insofar as you don't actually wish me evil...), but you are more concerned with whether or not I have a happy holiday that you are celebrating. Certainly you want the whole world to be happy on your holiday. So wish me "Happy Hannukah" or whatever it is, and I will either wish you "Merry Christmas" in return or I will say:


"Have a very plesant Northern-hemisphere Winter-Solstice-time celebration of your choice. (Please note that this greeting is not a contract that guarantees happiness during the specified period(s). Actual amounts of happiness incurred will be based on circumstances beyond the control of this greeting and will vary. Also, past levels of happiness are no guarantee of future results. For more information, please contact the religous-authority figure of your choice.)"



For the sake of your ears and the sake of my mouth, please hope that I simply state "Merry Christmas."
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Originally posted by Joel McNary:


"Have a very plesant Northern-hemisphere Winter-Solstice-time celebration of your choice. (Please note that this greeting is not a contract that garuntees happiness during the specified period(s). Actual amounts of happiness incurred will be based on circumstances beyond the control of this greeting. Also, past levels of happiness are no garuntee of future results. For more information, please contact the religous-authority figure of your choice.)"





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[Joel]: Wish me whatever is appropriate to you, since if you don't celebrate Christmas you're not really concerned with whether I have a happy Christmas (except insofar as you don't actually wish me evil...), but you are more concerned with whether or not I have a happy holiday that you are celebrating.

Personally I would reverse this. I hope other people enjoy the holidays that are important to them, and I will enjoy the holidays that are important to me. I don't really care that much whether I enjoy their holidays or vice versa. (Unless I invite them to join me, or vice versa, in which case usually the host hopes the guests enjoy themselves, whatever the holiday.)

On the other hand, I have no objection to anyone wishing anyone else a good holiday, regardless of which holiday it is. If one person is wishing another person well for whatever reason, that's a good thing. But if someone wants to complain because the holiday greeting that was used was perceived as not appropriate - well, that person really needs to lighten up, I think. Life is too short to argue over holiday greetings. In the words of the prophet Robert McFerrin: don't worry - be happy.
 
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