why does this happen?

[S Venkatesh]

why do some people think that they are always correct and critisize others? why don't they take opinions from others?
if they take opinions from others also why do they feel that they are being critisized just by the opinions given?

This has been a big mystery

Thanks
Venkatesh S

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
why do some people think that they are always correct and critisize others? why don't they take opinions from others? if they take opinions from others also why do they feel that they are being critisized just by the opinions given?

Because forefathers of Venkatesh Sai, Chetan Parekh and all other human being were monkey. So we behave in that manner every now and than.

We have just lost a tail, not the monkey-ness.

WTB, had something with your senior?
[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:


Because forefathers of Venkatesh Sai, Chetan Parekh and all other human being were monkey. So we behave in that manner every now and than.

We have just lost a tail, not the monkey-ness.

WTB, had something with your senior?

[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

you are absolutely right!! but when are we going to lose this monkey-ness? Seniors have more of it !!
[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Venkatesh Sai ]

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
you are absolutely right!! but when are we going to lose this monkey-ness?

Be the change that you want to see in the world. - Gandhiji

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
Seniors have more of it !!

Well when I was a junior I was feeling same as you, but than I become senior and my problem solved.

[Raghavendra nandavar]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:

Be the change that you want to see in the world. - Gandhiji

Well Said!!

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
Seniors have more of it !!

Thats why they are seniors..

If you want to be senior then you should have more monkey-ness

[S Venkatesh]

seniors always think they are wise and never listen to any of the juniors or never try to even ask do they have any thing to say. Even the criminals with serious offences are given a chance to say his last wish!!

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
seniors always think they are wise and never listen to any of the juniors or never try to even ask do they have any thing to say. Even the criminals with serious offences are given a chance to say his last wish!!

Reply from seniors to juniors

[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
why do some people think that they are always correct and critisize others? why don't they take opinions from others?
if they take opinions from others also why do they feel that they are being critisized just by the opinions given?

This has been a big mystery

Thanks
Venkatesh S

Are you talking about your Project Manager / Project Leader? I am just kidding.

People's ego makes them not to accept others opinions. But the ego level changes from person to person. A person with highest ego leve never respect other's opinion.
[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: KJ Reddy ]

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by KJ Reddy:[QB]
People's ego makes them not to accept others opinions. But the ego level changes from person to person. A person with highest ego leve never respect other's opinion.
QB]

Apply "Opposite Thinking" method against them. It is very powerful and effective.

[S Venkatesh]

ok..let me be very clear now. why don't project managers and technical leads try to ask a developer any of his opinions?

is it like whatever they say you do it? without realising anything?

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
why don't project managers and technical leads try to ask a developer any of his opinions?

Okay, let me ask your opinion

Dear Venkatesh Sai I need your �critical opinion� on a confusion that I have. What came first � a chicken or an egg or a bird flue?

[Sunil Kumar Gupta]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
ok..let me be very clear now. why don't project managers and technical leads try to ask a developer any of his opinions?

is it like whatever they say you do it? without realising anything?

Becuase if something goes wrong, they are responsible, not the developer
they want everything in their way

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:


Okay, let me ask your opinion

Dear Venkatesh Sai I need your �critical opinion� on a confusion that I have. What came first � a chicken or an egg or a bird flue?

chicken came first because egg came from behind the chicken

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:


chicken came first because egg came from behind the chicken

See, this is the reason why "your" seniors are not asking your opinion.

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:


See, this is the reason why "your" seniors are not asking your opinion.

yes definitly seniors put this sort of questions so that juniors can never answer the same
[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Venkatesh Sai ]

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
[QB]

yes definitly seniors put this sort of questions so that juniors can never answer the same
[QB]

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Sunil Kumar Gupta:


Becuase if something goes wrong, they are responsible, not the developer
they want everything in their way

I agree with you sunil. But if there is any credit they only take it they completely forget the team contribution on it

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:

LOL

[Chetan Parekh]

[Sunil Kumar Gupta]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:


I agree with you sunil. But if there is any credit they only take it they completely forget the team contribution on it

As KJ said earlier, that's the behaviour changes from person to person.
Not all fingers in a hand are same .

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Sunil Kumar Gupta:


As KJ said earlier, that's the behaviour changes from person to person.
Not all fingers in a hand are same .

do you mean to say that this is happening only to me?

[Sunil Kumar Gupta]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:


do you mean to say that this is happening only to me?

it may be the problem of others also, but remember one thing that it does not apply for all

[Chetan Parekh]

Just give me email ids of your seniors, I will forward this thread to them.

[Chetan Parekh]

Tips for Training Your Boss

[nishwas mahindra]

There is a very simple solution to your problem.
Be focused on what you do.
Get each and every information / knowledge related to your project.
Even if you have to keep low to ask such info to others, do that.
I think one full month is sufficient to be conversant with the project.
And see the differnce.
Take part in each and every conversation you are allowed to.
Each time atleast have a say on one subject.Atleast one no nonsense statement.
Try to solve problems of your peers.

Slowly you will transform yourself from junior to senior .
And offcourse your juniors will start talking about you as you are doing for others.
At that point of time,when you have lots of strings to pull,if anybody argues with you, then try to remember that you were also in their shoes once a while ago.

Expert is not 10 times better than the ordinary person.
He knows only 10% more. )

100 m winner is only few microseconds faster than the runner up and 1 to 2 seconds faster than the last man.

[Sunil Kumar Gupta]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
Just give me email ids of your seniors, I will forward this thread to them.

[e-mail]

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
Just give me email ids of your seniors, I will forward this thread to them.

Hey you need not send chetan. They are already members of javaranch. I think they are waching this for a while now

But what nishwas mahindra told is really a good advice

[S Venkatesh]

I think this issue is across the globe . I think it is wise to think of a solution to this problem. Otherwise it may have serious concerns. As per chetans link 'Tips for training your boss' quitting is not the only solution.

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:
I think this issue is across the globe . I think it is wise to think of a solution to this problem. Otherwise it may have serious concerns.

Read the italics words in above post. You are started talking like TL / PM.
[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

[Vasu Reddy]

Hi,

Knock the door at midnight. It teach a lot.

In india it works fine as per my knowledge.

best,

Vasu Reddy

[Chetan Parekh]

Originally posted by Vasu Reddy:

Knock the door at midnight. It teach a lot.
In india it works fine as per my knowledge.

[S Venkatesh]

Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:


Read the italics words in above post. You are started talking like TL / PM.

[ March 16, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]