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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Hm, I don't think any of the examples I've seen so far match up with my understanding of what a straw man argument is...
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Marc: well, with your first example, it could be a part of a straw man arguement, but to me it seems like most of it is imagined rather than shown...
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Jeroen: your argument is flawed though.
The topic at this point is "the straw man fallacy" and yet your discussion is about apples. I would love to talk about apples with you. I'm a certified master gardener and a certified permaculture designer. For years I lived in eastern washington state, where most of the world's apples were grown for years!
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One can set up a straw man in the following ways:
1. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2. Quote an opponent's words "out of context" -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy)
3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
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[David]:
politician 1: I think that the war is going in the wrong direction and we need to make changes.
politician 2: My opponent sympathizes with the enemy.
That works. It doesn't show the knock-down part of the fallacy, but that's pretty obvious here. A real-world instance would usually be a bit more subtle, or built up more carefully, but again that's the problem we face in trying to create a concise clear example - the misrepresentation is more blatant than it would be in the real world. Usually. I'd try to suggest modifications to make politician 2's statement sound a bit more plausible, but I don't really want to start people arguing on this particular topic.
[David]:
Person A: "I think only organic apples should be allowed to be sold"
Person B: "Why would you want to make people eat wormy apples"
My problem here is that this still seems too blatant - I don't think anyone would believe that person A was motivated by wanting to make people eat wormy apples. I don't see a good way for B to plausibly suggest this is the case.
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