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Barry Gaunt
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I'm probably going from W/2000 to Ubuntu Linux. You?
 
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Ubuntu also. Not interested in Vista at all.
 
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Oh, and it doesn't have to be one or the other. Using the VMWare player and a VMX from easyvmx.com I found it very easy to get 98 and 2k running inside Ubuntu. I like this as an intermediate step (over dual booting) even if there is a performance hit.
 
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At home I have two computers: one Kubuntu and one Win2k. Win2k is there just for gaming. I use Kubuntu for everything else. I'm going to keep Win2k until end-of-life. I don't see Vista offering any compelling features over Win2k and if I'm going to be forced to buy new hardware for an os, I may as well buy a mac!
 
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I sat down and evaluated my software usage the other day and came up with:

Browser - Firefox
Email - Thunderbird
Office - OpenOffice
Work - Eclipse
DB Client - SquirrelSQL (Java)

Other than my time tracking software there is nothing that stops me from moving straight across.
 
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It's difficult for me to imagine ever going back to Windows.
 
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I went the way of the penguin (switched from XP to Ubuntu).
 
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I am not even remotely interested in moving to vista although some screenshots look cool. Using win 2k but its a bit slow. Planning to migrate to mandrake.

SquirrelSQL


Gonna try this at work tomorrow !! Nice screenshots.
 
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Personally, I'm considering a Mac move(Mac OS X rules )
But I heared a lot of nice things about Ubuntu also, so :
Bye Bye uncle Bill !
 
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Moved two weeks ago from XP to ubuntu.

Will not go back.

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If and when I buy or build a new Windows machine it will almost certainly run Vista (and one of the professional versions).
But I don't think I'll upgrade any of my XP machines anytime soon. They're running quite well as they are so I don't see the need to replace their software with anything else at the moment.

In fact if it weren't for a fatal OS crash on one of them that one'd still be running Win2K to this day (powerfailure while installing an operating system kernel upgrade isn't a good idea, May leave the machine incapable of booting).
The other would run XP because I need it for some things (I do some CS and testing for software that's designed for XP, rather hard to do that on Win2K).

That said I'm more likely to add either a Mac (just because I don't have one yet) or a Solaris box if I decide to buy any new machine in the next 2-3 years (which is far from certain).
But that's because I want some diversity and get to know more different systems, not because I don't want a Windows machine.
 
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When I talk to "average" Windows users (people with a home PC used for the internet, some gaming, maybe a Word document now and then...), most of them aren't even aware that a new Windows OS is about to be released. And when I tell them about it, they seem to have zero interest in upgrading. In fact, they seem to dread the idea.

Even with a major marketing blitz, I suspect that Vista sales might not be as brisk as expected.
 
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I'd like to switch too. Besides the Office suite, browser, and development platform, the other thing I need is an iTunes replacement. Any suggestions? I need to be able to rip CDs, manage the MP3s, get "The Office" from the iTunes store every week, and sync a few podcasts. Of course, it all has to sync to my iPod.
 
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Originally posted by Greg Charles:
I'd like to switch too. Besides the Office suite, browser, and development platform, the other thing I need is an iTunes replacement. Any suggestions? ...

If you're switching from Windows, then Mac seems like an excellent choice! (That's what I use. I don't think my geek credentials are quite up to par for Linux.)

Note that MS Office is available for Mac.
 
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iTunes replacement - Amarok, in fact, I think it is superior to iTunes. Use lame to encode CD's to mp3 and you are set.

I wouldn't upgrade to Vista unless MS sent me a check with more then a few zeros on it. Yuck. Although I might feel left out since I won't have to ask MS for permission to use my computer on a regular basis. Last I heard, MS will put some version of Vista on MSDNAA(a program where CS students get MS software for basically free), and even at $0 it just can't compete with Linux.

You can run all the fancy extras that MS brags about in MS on far less hardware in linux, and those things have limited value anyway, so why deal with the bloat and myriad of other hassles with MS software?

I am pretty much completely using Linux, with XP only being used for the odd game that doesn't work under Wine.
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May be I got addicted to Windows, but I still think Windows XP is the best desktop Operating System. I tried to switch to Ubuntu, but I just didn't like it.

I even tweaked it to look like Windows but I still didn't like it. This is my Ubuntu Desktop...



I don't know but Ubuntu, Kubuntu and other's desktop environments doesn't feel comfortable. May be I am addicted to Windows...
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:
When I talk to "average" Windows users (people with a home PC used for the internet, some gaming, maybe a Word document now and then...), most of them aren't even aware that a new Windows OS is about to be released. And when I tell them about it, they seem to have zero interest in upgrading. In fact, they seem to dread the idea.

Even with a major marketing blitz, I suspect that Vista sales might not be as brisk as expected.


I know plenty of non-techie users who are still on Windows 98 :roll: .
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:
they seem to have zero interest in upgrading. In fact, they seem to dread the idea.
I bet the majority of PC users never upgrade their OS. They probably just stick with whatever comes "free" with the computer when they buy it, and then when it eventually falls over they'll buy a new computer.

That's why unixy OSs will never make it into mainstream use until they are supplied on new computers, as most users just don't have the confidence to install a new OS or more likely don't understand the advantages and disadvantages of doing so.

What would be great in stimulating competition between OS providers would be if new computers could have two OSs (with roughly similar software) installed on them when they are new. The user then selects which one to run at start up. Ideally they would be able to share some data. One would probably have to be open source though for cost reasons.
 
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
I bet the majority of PC users never upgrade their OS. They probably just stick with whatever comes "free" with the computer when they buy it, and then when it eventually falls over they'll buy a new computer.


Most probably don't know what an OS is, they think what they see on their screen when they turn on the dread machine is "the computer".
I know that's how my parents think of it.


That's why unixy OSs will never make it into mainstream use until they are supplied on new computers, as most users just don't have the confidence to install a new OS or more likely don't understand the advantages and disadvantages of doing so.



Nor do they care. They want the thing to just work, and to open the Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, and BMP or JPG images they get sent by others.
If the computer can't do that, it's broken.



What would be great in stimulating competition between OS providers would be if new computers could have two OSs (with roughly similar software) installed on them when they are new. The user then selects which one to run at start up. Ideally they would be able to share some data. One would probably have to be open source though for cost reasons.


They'd panic seeing the screen, and call tech support asking what to do every time they turn the thing on.
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
...Most probably don't know what an OS is, they think what they see on their screen when they turn on the dread machine is "the computer". I know that's how my parents think of it...

That's my parents too. To them, "Windows" means "Word." For example, "I wrote a letter in Windows," or "I don't have Windows open." (I wonder if they know Ted Stevens...)
 
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My father in law uses 'Yahoo' when he means the internet.

"Is Yahoo connected/on" etc
 
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or the reverse, my father claims the internet is slow when typing a letter in Word
 
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After seeing this post i installed UBUNTU 6.10 version for AMD-64 bit processor. My system configuration is as follows.

1. AMD 3GHz 64 bit processor.
2. Gigabyte Mother Board with NVDIA Graphics card(inbuilt)

I am encountering the following problems. Can anyone please help me out.
1. The screen flickers as i scroll along.
2. Many of the packages are not installed because its a 64 bit version

what can i do? do i need to reinstall a normal version again (without 64 bit support). I tried with the version 4.10 live CD. I have none of the stated problems.

Thanks
Venkatesh S
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
Nor do they care. They want the thing to just work, and to open the Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, and BMP or JPG images they get sent by others.
If the computer can't do that, it's broken
They may care when their PC gets infected with a virus.

Also, if the opportunity to try out another OS is there and simple to do, people may give it a go and find out that they like the alternative.
They'd panic seeing the screen, and call tech support asking what to do every time they turn the thing on.
It needn't be a complicated screen though - just a simple menu giving the choice between OS X and Y. There could also be a count down (say 5, 10 or 20 seconds) which selects the default if they don't know. A bit of simple blurb in the paper work they get with the computer could explain it a bit to them.

The idea isn't to convert them away from a particular OS, but just to give them a chance to try out something new without needing to go to too much trouble.

Then it becomes up to the Linux community to come up with an OS which the average user can use without being scared.
 
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Originally posted by Venkatesh Sai:

what can i do? do i need to reinstall a normal version again (without 64 bit support). I tried with the version 4.10 live CD. I have none of the stated problems.


I think it you'd better off with a 32 bit version. The extra gain in performance with 64 bit just isn't worth the hassle to get 32 bit apps running.
 
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Originally posted by Satish Chilukuri:


I think it you'd better off with a 32 bit version. The extra gain in performance with 64 bit just isn't worth the hassle to get 32 bit apps running.


How do i get back to 32 bit version now? Do i need to reinstall from scratch? [ ]
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
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