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[Opinions on value of] SCJP [due to] Cheating

 
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Welcome Khalid Mughal & Rolf Rasmussen (moved from subject title).

I have seen postings that question the importance of the SCJP because of the (claimed) high incidence of cheating. Do you think the SCJP still carries a lot of weight in hiring decisions or has it become devalued in the eyes of employers?


[Henry: Changed subject title. Too close to actual welcome thread]
 
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test post -- JR seems to have posting issues at the moment
 
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Marty,

Sorry for changing the title of this topic. The actual welcome thread isn't eligible for the book drawing. And I don't want to accidentally reject it, if the system picks a post in this topic, as a winner.

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Marty Judson wrote:Welcome Khalid Mughal & Rolf Rasmussen (moved from subject title).

I have seen postings that question the importance of the SCJP because of the (claimed) high incidence of cheating. Do you think the SCJP still carries a lot of weight in hiring decisions or has it become devalued in the eyes of employers?


[Henry: Changed subject title. Too close to actual welcome thread]



I believe that SCJP still carries weight.
Many IT companies are attracting business by advertising that they have certified developers on their team.
SCJP allows any programmer worth his or her salt to translate their expertise into formal internationally recognized credentials.
Our readers tell us that it also opens new career opportunities.
 
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Khalid A. Mughal wrote:I believe that SCJP still carries weight.


But what about those who passed by any foul mean, are they carry any knowledge of Java. This big IT companies HR people are too lazy to evaluate the prospective employees knowledge by actually throwing some 2- 3 programs to write. They hire and clients (who dosen't knew anything about possible fraud/cheating done in getting a Java certification, what they knew is and blindly believe "Ohh that's guy on our project carry Sun Certificate, wow", but truth is dirty..

But I'm optimistic, somewhere down the line SUN introduces some real programming part which exam taker has to sit down and write.

[I'm telling this, because all my buddies, who passed SCJP, use ...... AND they're working in fortune 500 companies]
 
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Sagar Rohankar wrote:
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But what about those who passed by any foul mean, are they carry any knowledge of Java. This big IT companies HR people are too lazy to evaluate the prospective employees knowledge by actually throwing some 2- 3 programs to write. They hire and clients (who dosen't knew anything about possible fraud/cheating done in getting a Java certification, what they knew is and blindly believe "Ohh that's guy on our project carry Sun Certificate, wow", but truth is dirty..

But I'm optimistic, somewhere down the line SUN introduces some real programming part which exam taker has to sit down and write.

[I'm telling this, because all my buddies, who passed SCJP, use ...... AND they're working in fortune 500 companies]



Actually I am surprised by what you write: that SCJP is accepted at face value by the employer without further evaluation during job interview.
Surely other criteria must come into the picture to evaluate the candidate.
Some hiring people are not doing their job well.
 
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Khalid A. Mughal wrote:Actually I am surprised by what you write: that SCJP is accepted at face value by the employer without further evaluation during job interview.


Two side of coins,
Good: If you're certified, IT companies don't bother much while interviewing process.
Bad: They don't know how he/she got a certificate, by studying hard, practicing Java code OR .....

Bottom Line is, get a certificate no means How you get it
 
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Sagar Rohankar wrote:Bottom Line is, get a certificate no means How you get it


I don't believe that job interviewers will say "Hey, he's got a certificate, now I don't need to ask him any questions anymore!".

The bottom line is: You'd better be honest with yourself and don't cheat! If you know nothing about Java and cheat yourself into a certificate, you will be embarrassed sooner or later - maybe during the job interview, or if the job interview was done really badly and you did get the job, your colleagues will discover after a while that you really don't know anything.

Besides that, if you cheat and Sun finds out, they might revoke your certificate and deny you from doing an exam ever again.
 
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Jesper Young wrote:

Sagar Rohankar wrote:Bottom Line is, get a certificate no means How you get it


I don't believe that job interviewers will say "Hey, he's got a certificate, now I don't need to ask him any questions anymore!".


I just replied what Khalid Sir wrote.

=Jesper Young wrote:The bottom line is: You'd better be honest with yourself and don't cheat! If you know nothing about Java and cheat yourself into a certificate, you will be embarrassed sooner or later - maybe during the job interview, or if the job interview was done really badly and you did get the job, your colleagues will discover after a while that you really don't know anything.


And that's resides on top of my bottom line.
 
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Hey I saw this type of cheating in NIIT(India) he said He will give me SCJP after going through 3 months of java course without attending exam whole for 15K Rs...My friend attended the program though this NIIT hadn't tought nothing he used to say that He know much about GUIs..when I asked about struts,servelets he went numb..however, He was given the SCJP certificate..he got the job in wipro during campus recruitment..actually he is a lazy guy..after 3 months training he was kept on bench because they found he is not a good programmer then they gave him some crappy maintainence on J2EE(He doesn't know anything about) and then he was given pink slip...now he is doing MS in UK(loosing his job)
 
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Hi Ashik, Just remove those Institute name from your reply by editing it, also SCJP dosen't cover GUI, Servlets and Struts, so your friend got numb is natural.
 
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