Beliefs in Ghosts !!!

[kumar shinde]

Hi,
I just came upon an interesting finding.... I was surprised to find that many people still believe in ghost and also considerable of them say that they have seen it !!!

Many of my friends in IT industry also believe in ghosts ....

In this age of computers and Atheism it is hard to believe this things but just out of curiosity i would like to know have any of ranchers seen ghosts ( other than ghost called boss) and would like to share any story.... (I heard that the maximum no of ghosts reside in UK in old palaces.... )

[Dave Lenton]

Originally posted by kumar shinde:
In this age of computers and Atheism it is hard to believe this things

I'm not sure we're yet in an age of Atheism - worldwide there are probably still more theists out there then atheists.

Computers probably don't have much to do with it. In theory computer users will be good at logic, but that doesn't mean that they have attempted to use logic to determine the existence or not of ghosts. They may even have other reasons for considering they exist.

So, why do people believe in item X (anything, not just ghosts)? I think it can be for several reasons:
1) They have used logic to reason the existence of X
2) They have empirical evidence of X
3) Their upbringing gives them a bias towards believing in X
4) Someone in a position of authority told them that X exists.
5) They believe in X for reasons of emotional comfort.

Even if a person has no logical reason to think ghosts exist, it is possible that a person may believe in them for the other reasons. A lot of people think they have seen one. A lot of people are raised in cultures where belief in ghosts is widespread. A lot of people are told about ghosts and do not think to question the idea. Some people believe in ghosts because they feel comforted to know that a deceased loved-one is still hanging around.

Personally I cannot think of any line of reasoning which would imply the existence of ghosts and have never seen any evidence which would imply that they are likely. I do not think that (3), (4) or (5) are valid reasons to believe in anything. So, I do not believe in ghosts.

That answer is a bit meaningless though as can't disprove them either, so technically I am agnostic towards ghosts. A more meaningful statement would be to say that I think they are extremely unlikely, about on the same level of probability as Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
[ March 08, 2007: Message edited by: Dave Lenton ]

[Rohit Nath]

Oh yeah I see ghosts everyday...
I know you will never believe me!
You got to see it to believe it...

Kkrrrrr............ (door opening)
Welcome to the Dark side of the world..!
Whoooha ha ha ha ha ha....!!!

Try comming to Javaranch at midnight and watch the moose ...

Auuuuuoooooooooooooo......
Spooky stuff I tell you...
[ March 08, 2007: Message edited by: Rohit Nath ]

[Irshad Malek]

I am a Ghost Rider..


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[Deepak Bala]

Originally posted by Rohit Nath:
Oh yeah I see ghosts everyday...
I know you will never believe me!
You got to see it to believe it...

Kkrrrrr............ (door opening)
Welcome to the Dark side of the world..!
Whoooha ha ha ha ha ha....!!!

Try comming to Javaranch at midnight and watch the moose ...

Auuuuuoooooooooooooo......
Spooky stuff I tell you...

[ March 08, 2007: Message edited by: Rohit Nath ]

Really bored at work huh ? You had enough time to make a spooky moose

[Ayub ali khan]

hi,

I agree its an age of hightech. Still there are some things which are beyond human understanding

Most of the things humans create have some faults with it. Does it still mean humans are experts in every aspect ?

We always try to do a reasoning to find a solution. There are few things which are beyond human reasoning can understand.

There are plenty of examples of facts which were agreed before, just to be
proved wrong in the future....

I have not seen any ghost, but felt its presence once

I believe in GOD so do I believe in Ghosts.. If you think +tive exists, then -ve should be there...

There is no doubt in my mind about ghosts, if any one wanna see exclusive footage or meet a ghost then come down to India

I have also heard people talking about inviting dead people's spirits..


Cheers Ayub

[George Harris]

I would tend to believe that in this 'day of computers' people would be more willing to believe in ghosts. As I am sure everyone at the Ranch has experienced at some point, we have written code and for some reason, logic or variables that we believed to have been removed or garbage collected have returned to cause us trouble. Another example would be the 'phantom reads' that can occur without correct database isolation levels.

Therefore, it is too much of a stretch to believe that those things that can happen in a virtual worlds can happen in the real world?

[Ashok Mash]

Pah, who cares about ghosts! I setting up RAID at home!

[Satish Chilukuri]

Well, this was way back when I was 9 years old. One day, in our school, someone had broken our classroom door latch. It was determined that a ghost had done it. Me and some of my friends formed a detective squad to determine where the ghost was hiding. Somehow we deduced that the ghost lived in our school's water tank. What we did with that discovery, I don't remember.

[Rohit Nath]

Originally posted by John Meyers:


Really bored at work huh ? You had enough time to make a spooky moose

Comeoonn....!!! You still think I made it up!!! :roll:
Ok! why dont you come on the ranch today midnight night 12 O' Clock and on the 12th stroke of midnight watch it for yourself! or are you scared?
I told you wont believe me.. Sigh..!

[Rohit Nath]

OK,
On a serious note.. I do agree that there are some things that are beyond human understanding and thought process.
When I think of the Universe then I know for sure that there is some greater force behind all this!
Also there used to be a famous program comming some time back on TV called Arthur C. Clarke world. That was something I believe was unexplainable!
While I do not support the idea of a ghost with a white costume on and haunting a place with a candle in hand or something similar. (Although I strongly believe in the moose! )
There are other things that are unexplainable or rather spooky.

When you are alone why do you think that someone is staring at you and you turn back to see what it is?
When you are walking alone in a lone place in dark night why do you think someone is following you?
Why do people even try staring at things hoping them to make a movement (I used to try it out on the calendar trying to make it to move when I was a kid ) ?

I think this is basic human instincts. The horror movie directors probably try to explore this aspect of the human nature (and fail horribly at times finding the funnier side of things )
Also we humans are yet to explore our own capabilities and things that are considered superhuman are proven to be possible with techniques like advanced Yoga. It is all about streatching ones limits.
The same moon which was seen as a backdrop for a howling wolf (the same wolf howling in my previous thread!) and a sign of horror now has footsteps of mankind due to latest science explorations.

So it is a catchup game played between human beliefs and faith and science and technology.

A belief is a belief is a belief..!

Of course there is no limits to human imagination and I love it that way!

Cheers!

[ March 08, 2007: Message edited by: Rohit Nath ]

[Dave Lenton]

Originally posted by Ayub ali khan:
We always try to do a reasoning to find a solution. There are few things which are beyond human reasoning can understand.

Human reasoning is clearly very limited (we have finite brains after all), but when I hear people say "there are some things reason doesn't explain" it sets off alarm bells in my mind. It is often followed by a theory which is then declared exempt from needing proof or reasoning because it is described as being beyond reasoning.

I tend to think that we should attempt to reason most things. Some things we'll figure out, and some things we won't for a while, but I don't like the idea of separating off some aspects of reality and saying "these things are impossible to apply reason to". Reasoning is the basis of human understanding, and without it rational discussion and investigation become fairly difficult. There may be some issues which our logic may not figure out, but I think it is important to try.

I have not seen any ghost, but felt its presence once

Could it be possible that the feeling be explained by some other reason? What makes you consider the ghost option to be reality as opposed to another explanation?

I believe in GOD so do I believe in Ghosts.. If you think +tive exists, then -ve should be there...

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why either of these propositions must be true. The first says if X then Y, but I don't see why Y! The other says if X then �X must also be true, but again I'm not sure why. Neither appear to be inherently true to me.
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[Irshad Malek]

I have already told......
I am a ghost rider...so if anybody sees any kind of ghost, can contact me..

[Rohit Nath]

Originally posted by irshad malek:
I have already told......
I am a ghost rider...so if anybody sees any kind of ghost, can contact me..

Are you the one who sells for 100 bucks per show? :roll:

[Srikanth Raghavan]

If you think +tive exists, then -ve should be there...

Need not be, can you go back one year? Can you travel at -10 kmph? (I'm not talking about you switching to your reverse gear on your car). So God may exist, ghost may not. Is the converse true? I don't know. Is the statement itself true? I just do not know.

Knowingly or unknowingly we (humans) are reaching one destiny or trying to answer the question ---is God there? Look, we are trying to find the ending of the universe, Is the universe closed or opened. why? I think we are unknowingly or knowingly trying to figure out is God there.

To achieve things in my life, when I have no faith in myself I pray to God and at that time I will say, "Yes, God exist." Now, because I have nothing special to gain when I am replying to this this topic, I am saying "God MAY exist."

The one thing that amazes me is our ability to think. Sometimes I even wonder how we humans found that brain is the one that thinks and not our heart or liver.

-- Srikanth

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Srikanth Raghavan:
Sometimes I even wonder how we humans found that brain is the one that thinks and not our heart or liver.

Once a phd scholar during her research, cut one leg of frog and shouted "Jump". Frog jumped.

She cut second leg of frog and shouted "Jump". Frog jumped.
She cut third leg of frog and shouted "Jump". Frog jumped.
She cut fourth leg of frog and shouted "Jump". Frog did not jump.

She wrote conclusion as after cutting four legs of frog, frog became deaf.

And after long time being atheist, then theist, and then agnostic, Now I believe in God becasue I believe: Men created God.