If Java is used to build the things the other languages interact with, it seems like the fun stuff is in the other languages. I mean, coding servers seems like wholesaling the gredients that make concrete, not building things with concrete (which is my preference). But some of my assumptions are probably off here...
Patrick Jones wrote:Java Web Start, Applets, and the like seem hardly used...and as far as I can tell it's because they really suck to get to work right in different browsers and different platforms, compared to, say, Flex.
Patrick Jones wrote:I mean, coding servers seems like wholesaling the gredients that make concrete, not building things with concrete (which is my preference). But some of my assumptions are probably off here...
Patrick Jones wrote:However, the serious business world around my parts are now asking for web served apps using JavaScript/Ajax/PHP etc. and I'm getting concerned.
Patrick Jones wrote:If Java is used to build the things the other languages interact with, it seems like the fun stuff is in the other languages. But some of my assumptions are probably off here...
Paul Clapham wrote:I haven't figured out yet why people think that writing Javascript is more fun than writing Java. Or any other programming language for that matter. It's pretty much the same process, really.
Patrick Jones wrote: As you can simply cut and paste to install JQuery elements into a web page more and more people are becoming introduced to programming via that route, and hence learn that route. The path in couldn't be easier.
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Sudarshan Kadam wrote:What about CMSs? Do anybody here thinks Java is as good as PHP for building a CMS? Please give your views.
David Newton wrote:....Whether or not Java is "better" than PHP for a task like this depends much, much more on your environment, your skillset, your anticipated deployment needs, the rest of the team that will be using it, and so on....
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Sudarshan Kadam wrote: better or similar or not good as PHP???)
Patrick Jones wrote:This is all really helpful. It's obvious to me why I think the scripting languages are more 'fun'...their product is the one your friends look at and go 'oooh...aaaah'...while the 'structural' stuff they can't even see.
But why use Java over C family languages for the more serious stuff?
David Newton wrote:I still find the question meaningless: are you asking if a specific Java CMS is better or worse than a specific PHP CMS?
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Sudarshan Kadam wrote:I think I made it clear that I want to know if there is any *famous* or *well known as wordpress, drupal etc* CMS in Java?
Patrick Jones wrote:But why use Java over C family languages for the more serious stuff?
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Patrick Jones wrote: As you can simply cut and paste to install JQuery elements into a web page more and more people are becoming introduced to programming via that route, and hence learn that route. The path in couldn't be easier.
And yet, these people often never really understand what is going on. They may be using code, but they aren't developers in my opinion.
Patrick Jones wrote:
I guess the Applet concept was Sun's attempt at this, but other technologies won out and Applets are more or less dead except in occasional corporate environments.
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I apologize for my sketchy comprehension...but why is it so much easier to update the Flash Player than to stay current on the 'Java Player' (or whatever it's called for Java)? It seems like Sun should make a single Flash Player sized dealio...most users don't blink to update their Flash Player but I'm not sure it's the same with the Java side of things.
Patrick Jones wrote:
It seems like [Sun] should move a little of the money from the 'infrastructure' side to the web app side, strategically speaking.
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