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Interesting to me is that remnants of the old apartheid regime see Frederik Willem de Klerk, the apartheid's regime last president, as a traitor.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
But there was an election where up to 70% of the electorate (only white people were allowed to vote) stood behind De Klerk and his decision to end apartheid. ... I don't want to know what had happened if Mandela hadn't silenced his own people who were thirsty for revenge.
Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
I can heartily recommend the movie A Dry White Season as an introduction to some of the complexities and feelings
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
I think the change in thought that got started by the 1989 revolutions all over Eastern Europe was a very powerful catalyst in this.
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So what was it that made them feel to be something better than their black countrymen and even go so far as they did, handling other people like thrash like they did with Indians, Blacks or Mixes of all.
I want to be like marc
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
the white man's burden
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Originally posted by Chunnard singh:
In the menu. I notice the Bantus get lesser meat and no Jam, lesser sugar compared to the Coloreds? Any reason given in the book why?
Originally posted by Chunnard singh:
And in all fairness, Besides Nelson there were other prisoners that stayed just as long with him who were members of his party. None ever gives any credit to them.
Originally posted by Chunnard singh:
None ever gives any credit to them. Like Neil Armstrong. Noone ever mentions Buzz Aldrin. Same with Tenzing Norgay who climbed Mount everest along with Edmond Hillary. Or our own Vinod khosla who co founded Sun Microsystems and co provided all those great java jobs. Or paul Allen of Microsoft, or Steve Wozniak of Apple. Some times it makes me so mad yo.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
The reason was that Bantus (Blacks) don't now what bread or jam is and hence don't need to provided with.
I want to be like marc
Originally posted by Chunnard Singh:
known as the caste system.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Hi Devesh,
I don't think that's a white man's problem. You can find this phenomenon in any non-white world either. I could bring you lot of examples from India, the Arab or the Chinese societies how they treat others like trash. But there it's more done in traditional way and not like the apartheid system manifested in a state as it was in South Africa.
The interesting point is, that I know the Afrikaans' forefather's quite good because we live here together with them in their place of origin. When you follow some Afrikaans family trees you can find that a lot of them go back to very simple seamen. Nothing proud of to be to suppress others.
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
It may have to do with the herd mentality in humans where when they find the group they belong to in a majority, they get into the alpha mode and try to subjugate the beta's. This is a animalistic behaviour prevelent in pack animals where a alpha group always tries to lord over the beta by show of strength.
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
With maturity (hopefully) in human society these tendencies would be curbed by self realization that superiority complex begets superiorit complex.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Hi Devesh,
But we are not animals and we have to get around this herd mentality, I hope you are right and that mankind realize it the sooner the better.
Regards,
Darya
Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
It wasn't just a cover. The ANC was openly communist, and the Soviet Union would most certainly have taken over had the whites relinquished power during their era.
The removal of this threat gave hope that the end of Apartheid might no necessarily end in disaster. It became a risk worth taking. And a risk it was, nonetheless. (There is still no guarantee that what happened to Zimbabwe won't yet come to South Africa.)
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Mandela himself says that the ANC was not a communist organization. I refuse to accept the thought that he lies.
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
after all at a cell level we are a
Eukaryote
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There is no doubt that the ANC had Communist members (Joe Slovo for example). And there is no doubt that the ANC worked together with other revolutionary organizations in Angola and Mozambique which received support from the Communist bloc -- that was all part of the proxy war that the US and the Soviet Union fought in southern Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. So okay, maybe Mandela classified the ANC after the fact as "revolutionary" rather than "communist"; perhaps that's more of a stretch than a lie.Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Mandela himself says that the ANC was not a communist organization. I refuse to accept the thought that he lies.
Originally posted by Paul Clapham:
There is no doubt that the ANC had Communist members (Joe Slovo for example). And there is no doubt that the ANC worked together with other revolutionary organizations in Angola and Mozambique which received support from the Communist bloc -- that was all part of the proxy war that the US and the Soviet Union fought in southern Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. So okay, maybe Mandela classified the ANC after the fact as "revolutionary" rather than "communist"; perhaps that's more of a stretch than a lie.
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Originally posted by Paul Clapham:
There aren't too many examples where a successful revolution has avoided the aftermath of violent conflict in the ranks of the winners. I hope South Africa can be one of the few that survives.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
What about the industrial revolution in England or the French Revolution,