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Pronounciation of "Buzz Words"

 
Yohan Liyanage
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In the tech world, where the alphabetical soup is cooked, different people tend to pronounce the buzz words in different ways. For example, SQL -> will be S-Q-L or Sequel.

I pronounce like this :
  • SQL -> S-Q-L (I used the term sequel before, but in my country most people use S-Q-L, and I looked like an alien to them when I use sequel )
  • WSDL -> W-S-D-L (Some use Whizdel)
  • SOA -> S-O-A (Recently, I heard people starting to use so-ah)
  • Char -> Char ('Ch' as in Cheese, some say Kar)


  • How do you pronounce these (and other) words?
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    Srikanth Raghavan
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    Let me add two more:

    AJAX - Is it A-Jax?
    SAP - Is it Sap or S.A.P?

    -- Srikanth
     
    S Dave
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    it was funny to hear Java & Jar pronounced as Yava & Yaar in Norway
     
    David O'Meara
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    URL or Earl?
     
    Oggi Olli
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    Originally posted by S Dave:
    it was funny to hear Java & Jar pronounced as Yava & Yaar in Norway


    Thats right Dave, we say Yava in our daily speech. It sounds very strange to pronounce it the English way when speaking Norwegian. In Australia I heard a lot of them saying Javar.
     
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    E-A-R or EAR? What do you say? Mine in bold.
     
    ankur rathi
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    BPEL or BPel
     
    Arvind Mahendra
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    XML or Xmmmmmmllll
     
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    SQL: I've been trying to start a grassroots movements to change the standard pronunciation of this from <sequel> to <squeal>. But seriously... IMO the Microsoft product is <Sequel Server>, but I program it in <S Q L>. So I'm not even internally consistent.

    Char: This is the first few letter of "character" so it should sound like the first syllable of that word: <care>. This holds even if "char" is part of a longer "word". e.g. In a recent SQL stored procedure, I used a <vare care one twenty eight> for a person's last name. That's right... Variable-length Character string is <Vare care>.

    Too bad I'm not consistent with this rule either. That VARCHAR(128) was used in a stored <proc> (rhymes with "knock"), instead of a store <prose> (rhymes with "dose").

    AJAX: Yup... <Ay-jax>.

    URL: <You are ell>. I wouldn't mind using <earl>, but I'd rather make the similarity between URL and URI obvious in their pronunciation as well. If you use <earl> of URL, what do you used for URI, <er-y>? Too many people would use <yuri> and the parallelism would be lost.

    XML: <eks em ell>. I've used <zimmel> once in a humorous context, but too few people understood what I saw talking about.
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    Pat Farrell
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    Originally posted by Yohan Liyanage:


    SQL -> will be S-Q-L or Sequel.


    This is usually an indicator of how old the person is. See-quel
    is from folks who learned it back in the time of early Ingres, or read their Codd and Date.




  • WSDL -> W-S-D-L (Some use Whizdel)
  • SOA -> S-O-A (Recently, I heard people starting to use so-ah)
  • Char -> Char ('Ch' as in Cheese, some say Kar)




  • I've heard a lot of Whizdull, but I try not to pronounce it, because I think it is dumb technology.

    Char is the start of charcoal. But its rarely talked about.

    As an industry, we have a serious lack of good terms. All the acronyms made of hard consonants are really unpronounceable.
     
    Yohan Liyanage
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    Originally posted by Pat Farrell:

    This is usually an indicator of how old the person is.


    Oh I'm still young, and I used to pronounce it sequel.

    Well, I used a Microsoft SQL Server interactive tutorial sometime (long) back and in that video, they insisted that it is pronounced as sequel, not S-Q-L (don't know whether they still insist on that). That's how I started to pronounce it that way.

    Anyway, when I got in to the university, almost all of the people seem to use S-Q-L, and I got into using that instead.
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    Arvind Mahendra
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    Here are way to pronounce more abbr. and phrases in ways that are fun and will win you respect of your peers.

    JSTL as Justill
    FAT as EFF AY TEE
    OK as mmmmkay
    J2EE as J TO(while making invisible arch in sky with index fingers) EEEEE
    nuclear as noo-kyoo-luhr
    Derby as Daaarbee
    'Chicken Soup for the Soul' as Thicken Thoop For the Thoul(with lots and lots of spit)
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    Pronounciation of "Buzz Words"...

    I say it: "Booze Vards."
     
    Stan James
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    ... or read their Codd and Date

    The 2nd ed is still the only database book I own. I regret I tossed the 1st ed when somebody left the company and gave me their 2nd.
     
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    Originally posted by Chunnard Singh II:

    FAT as EFF AY TEE


    FAT as in Fat file systems, aka a bad design back when floppies were 8 inch, and still in use at least ten years after it should have died?
    Its one syllable, rhymes with rat, cat, that.

    More importantly, anyone smart enough to read this forum should spell pronounce it dead and use NTFS or EXT3 or some decent file system.
     
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    - "squeal" all the way

    - XML should be pronounced "XML-argh!"

    - how about the guy who created Linux?

    - shouldn't we create an LOA (list of acronyms) for this list?
     
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    - shouldn't we create an LOA (list of acronyms) for this list?

    No, because there are already too many TLAs in this world
     
    Yohan Liyanage
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    Talking about TLAs, anyone has any idea what people love so much about "Three Letter Acronyms" ? What about two letters? four letters? The world is filled out of "Three Letter" ones than the rest.
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    Originally posted by S Dave,

    it was funny to hear Java & Jar pronounced as Yava & Yaar in Norway


    Even in Germany J is pronounced as yott...so Java is Yava...
     
    Gail Schlentz
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    Ok - maybe I'm a bit late on this topic, but what about:

    lib (libb or lyb)
    bin (binn or byn)

    ??
     
    Eugene Abarquez
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    I remember once my American boss told me something about a "jiff" file. It was later that I realized he meant a gif (G-I-F) file.
     
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    Originally posted by Elaine Micheals:

    lib (libb or lyb)
    bin (binn or byn)


    I'm not sure that I'd pronouce your main or alternative versions differently.

    I pronounce lib to rhyme with baby's bib or telling a fib.
    and bin to rhyme with tin can or gordon's gin.
     
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    Originally posted by Pat Farrell:


    I'm not sure that I'd pronouce your main or alternative versions differently.

    I pronounce lib to rhyme with baby's bib or telling a fib.
    and bin to rhyme with tin can or gordon's gin.


    C'mon man, it's "lyb", like "jibe" or "imbibe". It's short for "library"!
     
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    Bin is not even an acronym, it's a word. Why the hell would you pronounce it as bine that rhymes with vine?
     
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    Originally posted by Eugene Abarquez:
    Why the hell would you pronounce it as bine that rhymes with vine?


    ... because it's short for "binary"?

    Kids today. Tsk.
     
    Yohan Liyanage
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    Originally posted by Eugene Abarquez:
    I remember once my American boss told me something about a "jiff" file. It was later that I realized he meant a gif (G-I-F) file.


    Yeah. I had the same confusion sometime back. Now I'm also using "jiff" for GIF. I think thats pretty common out there.

    How about JPEG ? Some call it "Jay-Peg". Some call J-P-E-G.
     
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    Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:


    ... because it's short for "binary"?

    Kids today. Tsk.


    Really? My bad. Hehehehe.

    I thought it's like recycle bin. Or is it recycle "bine" too? Now I'm confused.
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    Originally posted by Yohan Liyanage:


    Yeah. I had the same confusion sometime back. Now I'm also using "jiff" for GIF. I think thats pretty common out there.

    How about JPEG ? Some call it "Jay-Peg". Some call J-P-E-G.


    Spelling out J-P-E-G is just too long to say in a conversation. I prefer "jay-peg".
     
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    Originally posted by Pat Farrell:


    FAT as in Fat file systems, aka a bad design back when floppies were 8 inch, and still in use at least ten years after it should have died?
    Its one syllable, rhymes with rat, cat, that.

    More importantly, anyone smart enough to read this forum should spell pronounce it dead and use NTFS or EXT3 or some decent file system.


    FATS are still very much in use. particularly on smaller hard disks, and they are supposed to be faster(I think it uses linked lists for data access as opposed to NTFS which is supposed to use B-Trees. but of course with todays computing power it doesn't matter much) and have better recovery chances in the event of a catastrophe. FAT I believe also has better encryption and thereby considered more secure.
    My pen drives are all FAT formatted. I think there is even something called exFAT which is supposed to be like a "FAT 64".
     
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    Originally posted by Chunnard Singh II:

    FATS are still very much in use. particularly on smaller hard disks, and they are supposed to be faster(I think it uses linked lists for data access as opposed to NTFS which is supposed to use B-Trees. but of course with todays computing power it doesn't matter much)


    Yes, FAT is usually faster in smaller hard disks, but when it comes to large ones, NTFS is faster than FAT, and it also saves the disk space as well. When the volume size gets larger, FAT file systems tend to use a cluster size which is many times more than the NTFS cluster size. (Not to mention that FAT16 supports only upto 4GB and FAT32 upto 32GB -except some special cases- volume sizes. NTFS is said to support upto 2TB volumes.)

    Originally posted by Chunnard Singh II:

    and have better recovery chances (FAT) in the event of a catastrophe.


    This article says that NTFS has better recoverability than FAT.

    Originally posted by Chunnard Singh II:

    FAT I believe also has better encryption and thereby considered more secure.


    Well, I can't agree on this one as well. I think NTFS provides more security than FAT. (It was one of the things which Microsoft used to persuade Windows users to migrate from FAT32 to NTFS back then).

    One last thought : This should be discussed on a seperate thread. (I think this violates 'Meaningless Drivel' theme )
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    Originally posted by Eugene Abarquez:


    Really? My bad. Hehehehe.

    I thought it's like recycle bin. Or is it recycle "bine" too? Now I'm confused.



    Nope, it's recycle bin, like tin or pin or win.

    The truth is that most everybody says "bin" for the directory name, too; I was just explaining why somebody MIGHT say it the other way.

    UNIX directory names are really short because the folks who designed UNIX were consciously writing a small system for a small-memory, small-storage machine, saving bytes wherever they could.

    So we got /lib (libraries), /bin ("binaries", meaning executable programs), /usr (which stands for UNIX System Resources, even though everybody pronounces it "user"), /tmp (temporary files), /dev (device files), /etc (miscellaneous configuration files) ... all these three-letter directory name abbreviations.

    Some of the system calls have weird names too, where they abbreviated even though it seems silly. The system call to create a file is called "creat" -- with no "e" at the end.

    The original UNIX "spell" program stored a 60,000 word English dictionary in about 4000 bytes(!) via some amazing programming tricks. It was Andy McIlroy, I think, who accomplished this. There's a great story about it in Jon Bentley's "Programming Pearls".
     
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    We have a project "FCL" which seems to have become commonly pronounced "Fucall".

    Unfortunately the next stage of the project is "FCM".. and the way *thats* goign to be pronounced pretty much some up how we all regard the users!
     
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    Originally posted by Alan Wanweird:
    Unfortunately the next stage of the project is "FCM".. and the way *thats* goign to be pronounced pretty much some up how we all regard the users!


    Nice one Alan !!!
     
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